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Thread ID: 122457	2011-12-22 00:38:00	5 year old attacked ... WTF is going on in this country	SP8's (9836)	PC World Chat

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1250217	2011-12-30 19:19:00	If you are going to quote research you must give the link and or full references.....As someone who has written a paper or 2; this is one of the fundamentals. Any time one uses anothers research within their paper; then full credit must be given; or the paper is failed. Also; watching this is like watching the lads in parliament ... draw your own conclusion	Myth (110)
1250218	2011-12-30 19:24:00	As someone who has written a paper or 2; this is one of the fundamentals. Any time one uses anothers research within their paper; then full credit must be given; or the paper is failed. A paper or two? Bah, you're an amateur! Hush now, child, accept everything the Prosecutor says as you would the word of God!	Cato (6936)
1250219	2011-12-30 20:39:00	and teen punishment are even worse That in my view is one of the real problems as the young don't learn the true consequences of their actions.	mikebartnz (21)
1250220	2011-12-30 20:42:00	That in my view is one of the real problems as the young don't learn the true consequences of their actions. We learn these things from our parents, if we are lucky enough to have parents who know right from wrong, this lot have no idea about morality.	Cicero (40)
1250221	2011-12-30 20:59:00	If you want to go by that, then what minority group is more likely to be in the "annual income < $15,000" in NZ? This mentions the average hourly wage: www.tpk.govt.nz Or here: www.dol.govt.nz You can also see that 35% of all those receiving a benefit are Maori: www.dol.govt.nz That's 1 in every 3 people on the benefit are Maori, where we live in a multicultural society of European / NZ, Asian, Pacific Islanders, Indian, Maori and more. Yet I believe the Maori population is only somewhere around 1/10th of the NZ total head count. Finally, read here for information on youth disengagement: www.dol.govt.nz So yes, it's not too far-fetched to agree with you that yes, it's quite possibly a Maori offender, especially in the area the offending occurred which isn't exactly known for its wealth, so again your "report" agrees with this speculation. Maori are over represented in the lower socio-economic groups - that is well known. I didn't postulate this segment theory so the onus is on those who are proposing it to prove the case. Given it appears that these folk reject the well established link between socio-economic group and crime, they must have another theory which appears to be that crime is based on race. Personally, I'm with Radium. If somebody hurt my wife, or future kids, I'd probably hunt them down and castrate them. The natural feeling everyone would have - but most likely you wouldn't do it because you'd be letting down your family by being in jail. There is plenty in the news at the moment to get angry about including this (www.nzherald.co.nz). Quote from the article. "I was quite angry, but the nice people in the house dragged me away and gave me something to wipe my face because there was blood and all that. They pulled me aside, tried to get me to sit down and they gave me water, but I walked back down to the scene. "I looked at [the driver] across the road and he was standing there and couldn't admit what he'd done, going on about, 'It's not my fault, I didn't want to drive, it's not my fault, I didn't want to drive'. "My wheel brace was outside my ute, and honestly, I was going to pick it up and deal to him. "Then I heard a lady say, 'There's one dead and one under the car', and it went from anger to sadness ... and I just walked away." Personally I was damn angry about both these cases - but at the end of the day Brett McGready did the right thing by his family in walking away, you'd likely do the same when it came to the crunch.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1250222	2011-12-30 21:05:00	We learn these things from our parents, if we are lucky enough to have parents who know right from wrong, this lot have no idea about morality. While it is true that the parents have the most influence schools no longer have an effective way of disaplining kids and the youth court is much the same. The trouble with the youth court is there is no shame attached to the kids. Their names aren't published in a news paper or anything like that.	mikebartnz (21)
1250223	2011-12-30 21:18:00	While it is true that the parents have the most influence schools no longer have an effective way of disaplining kids and the youth court is much the same. The trouble with the youth court is there is no shame attached to the kids. Their names aren't published in a news paper or anything like that. Schools have many effective ways of discipline kids, certainly kept my kids in line. Youth Court - worked really well from my perspective as the victim of a burglary (and I got paid full reparation). As Steven Pinkers "The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined" (www.amazon.com) outlines - we live in the safest time anyone has ever lived in, and violence continues to decline in the western world. Interesting you think shaming people is an effective tactic - usually has the opposite effect I'd have thought.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1250224	2011-12-30 22:06:00	Youth Court - worked really well from my perspective as the victim of a burglary (and I got paid full reparation). I am very happy it worked for you but we had a twelve year old thieving lad a couple of doors down from us and it had very little affect on him. Interesting you think shaming people is an effective tactic - usually has the opposite effect I'd have thought. Shaming works in a similar way to peer pressure. At one time they used to have lists of people in the DomPost who had been done for DIC and years ago bankrupts used to be listed as well as court appearances. While it never stopped it I am sure there were a number who were put off because of the shame involved. I certainly didn't want to be listed in any of those. I am very interested in why you think it would have the opposite effect. I could understand it with the likes of the Mongrel Mob but luckily they aren't the majority.	mikebartnz (21)
1250225	2011-12-30 22:35:00	I am very happy it worked for you but we had a twelve year old thieving lad a couple of doors down from us and it had very little affect on him. Shaming works in a similar way to peer pressure. At one time they used to have lists of people in the DomPost who had been done for DIC and years ago bankrupts used to be listed as well as court appearances. While it never stopped it I am sure there were a number who were put off because of the shame involved. I certainly didn't want to be listed in any of those. I am very interested in why you think it would have the opposite effect. I could understand it with the likes of the Mongrel Mob but luckily they aren't the majority. Probably not quite an 80/20 rule, but maybe a 95/5. My experience at school was that the cane kept the majority under control through fear, but had no impact whatsoever on about 5% or so of students who wanted to cause trouble. Youth Court/Police diversion as well will impact on the majority of kids, who will make one appearance and never be seen again. It won't impact on those who are intent on causing trouble. Publication of names same thing - it will work on most but almost becomes a badge of honour for those it doesn't work on. All Drink driver names are still in the paper by the way.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1250226	2011-12-30 22:35:00	Youth Court - worked really well from my perspective as the victim of a burglary (and I got paid full reparation). Works even better from the perspective of the offenders.	Metla (12)
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