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Thread ID: 122617	2012-01-03 02:20:00	Gonna Be A Lot Darker Here Now	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1251845	2012-01-03 02:20:00	OK - this isn't a Montana thing, but it spilled over from Californica, when the do-gooders and tree huggers decided that light bulbs were destroying some yellow-toed tree frogs . MISSOULA, Mont . -- The lights are out on manufacturing 100-watt incandescent bulbs as the phase out of incandescent bulbs begins this year . The 100-watt is the first to go, other lower wattage bulbs will follow each year . Its part of a 2007 law aimed at boosting energy efficiency across the nation . But retail workers say consumers may notice a difference in the replacements . "It's a little different and it takes time getting used to both the type of light and the fact that a lot of them, especially the earlier generation ones took a longer time to warm up and get bright, we like to have it bright the instant we flip the switch," said John Harris of Montana Ace Hardware . Halogen bulbs, Compact Fluorescent Lights (CFL) and LED lights are all alternatives, but typically cost more than incandescent bulbs . 75-watt incandescent bulbs will be the next to go, but not until 2013 . Retailers can still sell the 100-watt bulbs until their stock runs out . Californica, on the other hand, has implemented a more rapid implementation of the law and makes it illegal to sell bulbs in the 75 Watt range on April 1st, this year . I think someone in the Californicate Legislature has a cousin who makes LEDs or CFLs . The light is sadly weaker, less 'normal' and makes everything appear gaunt and mortuary-bound, if not just escaped therefrom . Oh yeah - it's coming to your town soon too .	SurferJoe46 (51)
1251846	2012-01-03 02:33:00	SJ, we are ahead on this one, even ahead on emmissions as well, lol. Energy efficient bulbs have been in for quite awhile, an 8w = 40w old fashion type bulb. Youse guys are at last exporting " oil ", holy toledo batman our cars are getting smaller. Seasons Greetings to you and yours SJ. Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1251847	2012-01-03 04:03:00	Well, personally I prefer these new-fangled twirly doofahs. (Those incydescent things were just a quaint fill-in for the unfortunate ones who long for the cheery little yellow flicker from their oil lamps.) Alas the CFLs are no better at generating soot and fumes than the indecent lamps, so we still have to await a scientific replacement for the scheme of sequestering carbon on the ceilings and curtains. Some of the CFLs attempt to recreate the seal-oil lamps by being "warm white" which recreates the pathetic colour as well as the slow warm up of the oil lamps, but "cool white" is much easier to see things by, almost as good as daylight (which being nuclear powered will probably be phased out pretty swiftly). Alas, my enthusiasm is considerably reduced by the fact that governments are trying compulsion. I suppose it is the nature of Gov't that any chance they could learn from their mistakes has been destroyed by the sheer volume of mistakes - if in doubt make more laws. For outdoor lighting perhaps we could try burning politicians at the stake again - probably the most popular lighting method yet devised in spite of the fact that politicians are not noted for brightness.	R2x1 (4628)
1251848	2012-01-03 04:04:00	SJ, we are ahead on this one, even ahead on emmissions as well, lol. Energy efficient bulbs have been in for quite awhile, an 8w = 40w old fashion type bulb. Youse guys are at last exporting " oil ", holy toledo batman our cars are getting smaller. Seasons Greetings to you and yours SJ. Lurking. But we haven't started banning the old bulbs yet.	mikebartnz (21)
1251849	2012-01-03 04:14:00	But we haven't started banning the old bulbs yet. I think that I still have an old fashioned light bulb in my house. I have in the past replaced them with the energy savers when they burn out.	Bobh (5192)
1251850	2012-01-03 04:18:00	But we haven't started banning the old bulbs yet. True, but we are encouraged to adapt to the new twirly thingys', which we have done throughout the house, only bulb is out in the garage, we thought the quakes would have put that one out, lol. Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1251851	2012-01-03 04:34:00	I SoCal we had a legal requirement to not use incandescent lights outdoors - next to the Hale telescope on Mount Palomar, so we had to use motion detectors to only allow them to run when they detected motion. OK - but the CFLs can't be used for that purpose, since they require a warm up and then need to get the whole electro-chemical reaction thing going before they get turned off. Imagine: Thief trips detector - householder tries to see what's the commotion, but the bulb isn't hot enough and all one can do is ask the perp to wait until you can see his face. Yeah - a really good 'um there!	SurferJoe46 (51)
1251852	2012-01-03 04:48:00	But we haven't started banning the old bulbs yet. Helen Clarke wanted too.	decibel (11645)
1251853	2012-01-03 04:52:00	The Germans have it sussed - forget about lightbulbs and buy heatballs instead - www.reuters.com	decibel (11645)
1251854	2012-01-03 05:34:00	For outdoor lighting perhaps we could try burning politicians at the stake again - probably the most popular lighting method yet devised in spite of the fact that politicians are not noted for brightness. B@#*&y right R2x!, on both aspects..... :rolleyes: :devil :clap :punk :banana Bugger!! Have I overdone it with the emoticons and am therefore burning too brightly!!??	tuiruru (12277)
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