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Thread ID: 124673 2012-05-12 03:02:00 Why I still don't like Linux Tony (4941) Press F1
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1274880 2012-05-14 23:55:00 It contains the boot files and some recovery tools and isn't required. If you delete it though you have to do a system repair to make windows bootable again.
It will also sometimes install boot files on another drive even without the partition, just depending on what drive it thinks is the default boot device.

100mb isn't a big deal and doesn't bother me, what does annoy me is not being able to remove another drive without screwing up windows boot because it decided for some reason to install the boot files on it. The safest way to install windows is to only have one drive attached, and if you don't like the 100mb partition then prepartition the drive before doing the install.

I have never had a problem setting up a dual boot with windows, just install the older version first and it's fine. What's tricky is removing the older OS later when you have them on seperate drives because again windows 7 puts the boot files on the other drive. Easy BCD has tools to fix this, much easier than a repair install also.
dugimodo (138)
1274881 2012-05-15 04:01:00 The safest way to install windows is to only have one drive attached, and if you don't like the 100mb partition then repartition the drive before doing the install.

+1
Gobe1 (6290)
1274882 2012-05-15 21:13:00 The only I reason I don't like it is GAMING. (And no, forget opengl and all the emulators)

Oh yeah forgot to mention, hopefully that'll change soon with Steam: www.phoronix.com
They have my backing :D
Chilling_Silence (9)
1274883 2012-05-15 23:57:00 Only one problem there, it's Steam.

And a lot of good games aren't on Steam either.
Agent_24 (57)
1274884 2012-05-16 00:40:00 I downloaded the Ubuntu 12.4 iso - why not I thought, I'll give it (yet) another go.

The live demo sort of went OK, although there was "serious system problem". The OS still carried on though - big tick. All right I thought, I've a spare partition, I'll actually install it. When the install kicked off, it said it couldn't find any existing operating systems (I have Win7, Vista and Win8 preview on the machine), and when I chose the do it myself option it gave a list of disks that gave no clue as to which was which so I could choose where to install. Stuff that, I thought, and cancelled.

Back to the live demo and I realized it wasn't recognizing most of my disks. At that point I decided life is too short and gave it away (again). When I went to terminate, it gave me a restart and a shut down option, but the only one that worked was shut down.

I did like the fact that it totally sorted out and recognized the network and found the other PCs. Also that I was straight onto the net. I still have nightmares when I remember trying to configure the network access by having to manually edit all sorts of configuration files. At least that has improved.

ANYONE wanting to try linux for the first time should first try PUPPY live cd.
After years of Windows it is difficult to get in to the likes of Ubuntu. but puppy is refreshing and a good launch pad for other OS's
but why anyone would want Ubuntu or the big name linux OS's is hard to understand.
Puppy and maybe Windows for a couple of things does everything most people would want.
kjaada (253)
1274885 2012-05-16 00:57:00 ANYONE wanting to try linux for the first time should first try PUPPY live cdTry reading the other posts. This is not the first time I have tried Linux, by any means. However, in the interests of balance and fairness I will have a look at puppy.

Update - I went to the puppy website and gave up after seeing the multitude of versions, options, instructions etc. Nowhere could I find an obvious link to a preferred puppy iso image. I'm sure it is there somewhere, but having been advised that this is for someone wanting to try Linux for the first time, all I can do is repeat - life is too short. If I was the neophyte I have been told I am, I would be totally confused. What I wanted was a simple link that said "download the latest puppy iso here".

OK, I had another look and eventually found a link sort of like I suggested above. It talks about being a "slackware-compatible build". I'm a neophyte - what is that and why should I care? Anyway, I'm downloading it right now and will give it a go.
Tony (4941)
1274886 2012-05-16 01:18:00 but why anyone would want Ubuntu or the big name linux OS's is hard to understand.

You can easily install the big names to HDD and easily install updates afterwards. You don't have to boot from a slow CD or USB every time.


OK, I had another look and eventually found a link sort of like I suggested above. It talks about being a "slackware-compatible build". I'm a neophyte - what is that and why should I care? Anyway, I'm downloading it right now and will give it a go.

As it says on the download page: "is compatible with the binary packages of Slackware 13.37"
Agent_24 (57)
1274887 2012-05-16 01:28:00 As it says on the download page: "is compatible with the binary packages of Slackware 13.37"And speaking as a hypothetical neophyte - that means what, and why should I care? I just want an OS that works! Tony (4941)
1274888 2012-05-16 01:33:00 I dunno, I had a blast installing Linux Mint. Took a full Win7 HDD and it repartitioned it, no complaints, nothing technical, it just said "I want to split your HDDs free space down the middle, are you cool with this?" and I said "Yeah, sure, go for it"...

Aside from my username / password, it also asked my Timezone and that was it. The rest is automatic? I don't really see what the fuss it about :-/
Chilling_Silence (9)
1274889 2012-05-16 02:55:00 Never let it be said that I'm not willing to have a go:

I should say, and I recognise that this may complicate matters, that I have 4 physical disks, 3 SATA each with several partitions, and 1 IDE. I have Win7 and Win8 on one SATA disk, and Vista on another SATA dsk. The IDE disk is empty, one partition, formatted NTFS.

Mint/Ubuntu 12.04 install. Neither recognises that I have any other OS installed. I get to the point where I have to choose a disk. I choose the empty IDE disk. I get the message "No root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu". Isn't NTFS a file system? There is no "partitioning menu", or at least nothing labelled as such. The nearest thing says "create". Is this it? (Only rhetorical - I'm not going any further.) There is no help button that might give me more guidance.

Puppy Linux. I tried both the slackware and the ubuntu compatible versions. Not impressed. The menu button gives me a vast list of programs etc, which in principle is great, but they all have the typical Linux cryptic/cutesy names, which give me no guidance whatsoever. Not much help to a neophyte. The desktop background was awful (I realize this could be changed). I couldn't find any way to browse my network, whereas Ubuntu made it easy.

I think I'm done with Linux for the moment (again :) ).

Let me repeat: I'm sure it is a very good OS, but it is still not something for a beginner to attempt, and while it still has the huge range of flavours, and cryptic names for programs, it will remain a niche product for enthusiasts and professionals.
Tony (4941)
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