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Thread ID: 124673 2012-05-12 03:02:00 Why I still don't like Linux Tony (4941) Press F1
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1274950 2012-06-09 02:45:00 That's the good side. The bad side is that for someone looking from the outside and not in the know it is bewildering.
Same can be said for the Windows ecosystem.
I have on numerous occaisions been asked by people with new Win machines "How to do spreadsheets/letters/photo edit / etc."
When explaining that they have to download / install / buy separate software from the hundreds of choices available, looks of bewilderment are all too common.
fred_fish (15241)
1274951 2012-06-09 02:55:00 Same can be said for the Windows ecosystem.
I have on numerous occaisions been asked by people with new Win machines "How to do spreadsheets/letters/photo edit / etc."
When explaining that they have to download / install / buy separate software from the hundreds of choices available, looks of bewilderment are all too common.Please bear in mind my comment was meant to be light-hearted. Then read Yorick's post that I quoted again, trying to imagine yourself as someone who is not a Linuxophile and/or not familiar with the whole licensing thing that is part of open source and who is trying to decide (a) whether they want to commit to Linux and (b) what they need to know. The second paragraph in particular makes my (reasonably knowledgeable) eyes water, so what it would do to a total newcomer I hate to think!
Tony (4941)
1274952 2012-06-09 03:10:00 Yes I took it as such.
All the licencing drama is irrelevant if you simply want to USE the software though.
If you are rewriting/releasing modified code, it shouldn't be unreasonable to expect a basic grasp of licencing schemes.
fred_fish (15241)
1274953 2012-06-09 03:20:00 All the licencing drama is irrelevant if you simply want to USE the software though.Of course it is. However if I was researching as a newbie user (which is where I have been coming from throughout this thread) and came across that paragraph, it would certainly give me cause to wonder what I might be getting myself into. I suspect I wouldn't find something like that if I was researching Windows or the Mac (and yes, I do know about all the restrictive many pages long EULAs that abound in Windows world).

And yes, if I was aiming to be a developer it would be a whole other discussion.
Tony (4941)
1274954 2012-06-09 03:41:00 The fact that Windows is already installed on any new PC that the proverbial newbie buys, is really the only thing that makes it easier to use than any current desktop linux distro.
Can you imagine how hard to use Windows would be if said newbie was sat in front of a working (sic) Ubuntu machine with a Win7 disc in hand?
fred_fish (15241)
1274955 2012-06-09 04:17:00 The fact that Windows is already installed on any new PC that the proverbial newbie buys, is really the only thing that makes it easier to use than any current desktop linux distro.
Can you imagine how hard to use Windows would be if said newbie was sat in front of a working (sic) Ubuntu machine with a Win7 disc in hand?It's difficult to be totally objective as I come from a Windows background, but given my recent experience with trying to install Linux from a bootable CD I would say that Windows would actually be easier, although that does depend on which particular Linux distro you were trying to use.
Tony (4941)
1274956 2012-06-09 04:36:00 Well for a start Windows will refuse to do anything except overwrite the current OS uless you have already made space for it, and then even if you have, it will clobber the bootloader giving you no access to the previos system. :(

As for usability, I agree that is subjective and largely based on previous experience.
My dear old Mum struggled with Windows on her laptop for ages. I was always getting calls as to whether she should update this or that popup message from every third party app and virus scanner and Windows updates and service packs and reboot loops, and how do I do this and that.
She has now been happily running Debian for 2 years without an issue. It just works.
fred_fish (15241)
1274957 2012-06-09 04:51:00 Well for a start Windows will refuse to do anything except overwrite the current OS uless you have already made space for it, and then even if you have, it will clobber the bootloader giving you no access to the previos system.I'm not sure that is true. If it is, how have I managed to get three versions of Windows (Vista, 7 and 8) all to peacefully co-exist on the same machine? However, let's not get diverted down yet another by-road. :) Tony (4941)
1274958 2012-06-09 04:59:00 OK "it will clobber the bootloader giving you no access to the previous system (unless it is Windows too)." :)
... and I bet it didn't do any partition resizing for you.
fred_fish (15241)
1274959 2012-06-09 05:02:00 ... and I bet it didn't do any partition resizing for you.Can't remember. Tony (4941)
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