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Thread ID: 122793	2012-01-13 01:31:00	Mother of Turangi attack accused hounded	Zippity (58)	PC World Chat

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1253886	2012-01-15 08:28:00	Nope, not at all, though I understand your delusion blinds you and affects your comprehension. Even if your claims about your position are lies I am glad you don't currently hold such a position. So at least there is that positive. Yeah right - from the man who has no comprehension and has to resort to talking about elephants.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1253887	2012-01-15 08:35:00	Come on, How can you go from me asking leaders within their communities to make a stand against what is happening within their communities to you claiming I'm holding them responsible for the murdered babies. They are failing their people, they are failing in their role, they are failing themselves but it takes a moron to take the leap of stupidity that you did. Your not finding holes in what I said, You're shaming yourself, and in truth it makes me feel a little sick and ashamed. Maybe thats disgust. Are you stupid? I don't think you are, But I have no idea what you are.	Metla (12)
1253888	2012-01-15 08:36:00	My contention in fact was that people are personally responsible for their crimes - you can't blame a race of people for the crimes of an individual. True, but culturally that kind of thing is not as 'accepted' amongst European families. Look at the news lately, how many murders / rapists / shoplifters have been European families? I'm not saying it's white supremacy, far from it, coz there has been bugger all Asians in the news too... In fact amongst women in New Zealand, around 2/3's of them are Maori, where as 30% are European: www.stuff.co.nz Think about those numbers for a moment vs the number of Maori population vs Europeans. It's terrible, and it's cultural. Not all Maoris are like this of course, I know quite a lot who have said to me "We're just disgusted with what our people are doing, it shouldn't be this way", but as a generalization, it's still a cultural thing. I'm sorry, but I already have a distinct impression of any whanau who raise a child who can commit such an act. And it is not normal. And this despicable act will not have come out of a clear blue sky. They never do. It will have been the almost inevitable consequence of the teen's raising. Pretty much you've gotta grow up with that kind of thing being acceptable. Granted every person has the ability to choose on their own, right from wrong, but I know sure has hell that sort of behaviour is totally unacceptable. I wouldn't even hit a woman, let alone do anything this scum of a teenager did. Why? I was taught that kind of thing isn't acceptable as a child. It's just one of those "There's no way in hell you ever go there, it's one of the most horrific and disgusting things you could ever do". Your mileage may vary Twelvevolts.	Chilling_Silence (9)
1253889	2012-01-15 08:43:00	True, but culturally that kind of thing is not as 'accepted' amongst European families. Look at the news lately, how many murders / rapists / shoplifters have been European families? I'm not saying it's white supremacy, far from it, coz there has been bugger all Asians in the news too... In fact amongst women in New Zealand, around 2/3's of them are Maori, where as 30% are European: www.stuff.co.nz Think about those numbers for a moment vs the number of Maori population vs Europeans. It's terrible, and it's cultural. Not all Maoris are like this of course, I know quite a lot who have said to me "We're just disgusted with what our people are doing, it shouldn't be this way", but as a generalization, it's still a cultural thing. Pretty much you've gotta grow up with that kind of thing being acceptable. Granted every person has the ability to choose on their own, right from wrong, but I know sure has hell that sort of behaviour is totally unacceptable. I wouldn't even hit a woman, let alone do anything this scum of a teenager did. Why? I was taught that kind of thing isn't acceptable as a child. It's just one of those "There's no way in hell you ever go there, it's one of the most horrific and disgusting things you could ever do". Your mileage may vary Twelvevolts.I'm sure catholic Priests were taught that molestering is wrong, but doesn't seem to stop some of them?	plod (107)
1253890	2012-01-15 08:48:00	I'm sure catholic Priests were taught that molestering is wrong, but doesn't seem to stop some of them? Imagine if they were taught that molestation was right. And that right there illustrates a huge aspect of the problem.	Metla (12)
1253891	2012-01-15 08:55:00	I'm sure catholic Priests were taught that molestering is wrong, but doesn't seem to stop some of them? Agreed, and you raise a valid point, and yet that's not quite a 'cultural' issue, I'm not entirely sure what to call it. It's not a religious issue, they know without a doubt it's wrong. I also don't think they should be in any position of leadership at all. Makes you wonder about their lifestyle, clearly something is flawed or wrong if that's happening. Same thing for the culture these other young-adults are growing up in, right here in New Zealand. Something just isn't right, and something needs to change. Same as the Catholic Priests.	Chilling_Silence (9)
1253892	2012-01-15 17:46:00	Agreed, and you raise a valid point, and yet that's not quite a 'cultural' issue, I'm not entirely sure what to call it. It's not a religious issue, they know without a doubt it's wrong. I also don't think they should be in any position of leadership at all. Makes you wonder about their lifestyle, clearly something is flawed or wrong if that's happening. Same thing for the culture these other young-adults are growing up in, right here in New Zealand. Something just isn't right, and something needs to change. Same as the Catholic Priests. People in lower socio-economic groups commit more crime and Maori are over-represented in lower socio-economic groups. Therefore the over representation in the crime stats is merely a reflection of the general economic situation of Maori in general. There is no evidence that that there is a genetic link or cultural link to crime - and indeed it is the Maori in the city who have moved away from their culture who are more likely to be involved in offending. In that regard there is nothing Maori leadership can do directly unless they are in Government. When you get statements like "imagine if they were taught molestation is right", you have a few clues there that the writer is racist rather than genuinely interested in issues relating to the causes and solutions of crime.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1253893	2012-01-15 17:56:00	indeed it is the Maori in the city who have moved away from their culture who are more likely to be involved in offending. Like Turangi is a city	prefect (6291)
1253894	2012-01-15 18:24:00	People in lower socio-economic groups commit more crime and Maori are over-represented in lower socio-economic groups. Therefore the over representation in the crime stats is merely a reflection of the general economic situation of Maori in general. There is no evidence that that there is a genetic link or cultural link to crime - and indeed it is the Maori in the city who have moved away from their culture who are more likely to be involved in offending. In that regard there is nothing Maori leadership can do directly unless they are in Government. When you get statements like "imagine if they were taught molestation is right", you have a few clues there that the writer is racist rather than genuinely interested in issues relating to the causes and solutions of crime. All I read was "more denial, it's not their fault".	Chilling_Silence (9)
1253895	2012-01-15 20:10:00	When you get statements like "imagine if they were taught molestation is right", you have a few clues there that the writer is racist rather than genuinely interested in issues relating to the causes and solutions of crime. My reference to catholic priests was racist?	Metla (12)
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