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1255120	2012-01-20 21:00:00	I dont know why "Anonymous " arent trying to bring down the NZ police website for their involvement in it all, surely that would be an easy target for them considering some of the other websites they are attacking.	Iantech (16386)
1255121	2012-01-20 21:00:00	This is serious, its really going to affect the sales of Hard drives. The best hard drives to try music and movies on are 1.5 or 2Tb. Can I have some of whatever you are on? :)	Iantech (16386)
1255122	2012-01-20 21:04:00	But what people forget is that you can only play the music on an itunes device. . That's not true - I buy music through iTunes and transfer it on to my Sony player all the time. iTunes has some live performances exclusively where you can't buy the CD, my player converts them over to MP3 automatically as it transfers them over. No copy protection on it either. However, I do find myself buying the iTunes version of some things - then I go out later and buy the physical album so they actually get me twice! Sometimes the CD is cheaper than the download - which is kind of bizarre.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1255123	2012-01-20 21:23:00	Tell that to the person who wrote the song, or book or whatever . So they sell 1 copy, everyone else in the entire world steals it because it's data and therefore still exists . How long do you think they'd stay in that business? What a stupid argument . You steal a CD from a shop - there's still plenty of copies left on the shelf right? So according to your logic, that's OK . As for libraries - they paid for the book, they allow you to borrow it and return it - don't return it and you get charged for it . Idiot . The person who wrote the book or song gets a hell of a lot less money from you than then record company does . The artist might lose out a bit but not nearly as much as the record company . Why do you think it is the record companies who get pissed off the most? They have the most to "lose" - never mind they are multi-billion dollar industries with (despite piracy) INCREASING profits every year - it's not as if the CEO of Sony Music or whatever will ever starve in a gutter somewhere . You don't get it . I am not saying that piracy is OK . I am saying that in my opinion it is NOT BLACK AND WHITE THEFT as some of you seem to think . In fact, If you look at it from the point of "did it affect sales adversely" then in several cases it makes absolutely no difference to revenue (which is what my problem is - when the media companies go on about how many millions of dollars they lost, they are not accurate) It doesn't matter if there are plenty of copies of a CD left in a shop if you only stole one, they still lost that one copy . that is theft . I did not say that was OK either . In fact if you read my previous post properly you would have seen that I said it wasn't . Regarding the library: The library paid for the book (once) but you paid nothing to borrow it . You paid nothing to read it and absorb the information into your mind . If it's not overdue you pay nothing to return it . You can borrow it as many times as you like . I never said anything about keeping the book .	Agent_24 (57)
1255124	2012-01-20 21:32:00	I am saying that in my opinion it is NOT BLACK AND WHITE THEFT as some of you seem to think. Imagine your car was stolen overnight, but it was still there when you woke up.	pcuser42 (130)
1255125	2012-01-20 21:59:00	never mind they are multi-billion dollar industries with (despite piracy) INCREASING profits every year - it's not as if the CEO of Sony Music or whatever will ever starve in a gutter somewhere . Reading that gives the impression that if a company is making loads of money, then its perfectly fine to take what otherwise should be paid for . Saying its not a physical item - I can see where you are coming from - But the mentality of people pirating is wrong, people are trying to compare and justify old items with new technology --- Most people that pirate music, films what ever, wouldn't walk into a book shop, or music store and steal it from the shelf . Lets say you worked all week at doing some program for a company, then at the end of the week, the person in charge said - narrr its not good enough - redo it, or in fact lets bin it -- OH by the way - you're not getting paid for that week of work, the work wasn't used . Its not actually a physical thing . Its only coding and a bunch of 1's and 0's which can be wiped as if it never existed . That would be OK - No pay ? Now take the other side of that -- your work is used -- the company makes billions of dollars from your work -- but since you only worked on it for a week, thats all you will get, no extra payouts, even though you have put a copyright on it, royalty clauses etc .	wainuitech (129)
1255126	2012-01-20 22:41:00	Tell that to the person who wrote the song, or book or whatever. So they sell 1 copy, everyone else in the entire world steals it because it's data and therefore still exists. How long do you think they'd stay in that business?Well if only one person is WILLING to pay for their work, then maybe they are in the wrong business. There are a LOT of artists doing well selling lossless drm-free music (that is also available free from "other sources") A lot of artists also encourage and even distribute themselves through the "free" channels is as it is free advertising, reaching a hell of a lot of people, a percentage of which will seek out more from said artist and are willing to pay for it, and turn up at gigs and such. Either fans support the artists they enjoy, or those people will go get jobs and stop releasing music. The "problem" with this model is that there is no room for the fat profits of "mega-corporations" or extravagant lifestyles of "mega-stars" - how sad. What a stupid argument. You steal a CD from a shop - there's still plenty of copies left on the shelf right? So according to your logic, that's OK. No, that's not what he was saying at all. The industry's campaign to equate copyright infringement with ACTUAL THEFT and the GROSSLY INFLATED figures of lost revenue is nothing more than a cynical means to cajole the powers that be to enact increasingly draconian laws with penalties FAR EXCEEDING those for real property crimes, in order to protect their own embarrassingly profitable and completely outdated business model.They are evolutionary neanderthals desperately trying to stop the world from changing under them. Idiot.:blush: I thought you might be able to offer a more reasoned argument ... Regarding the library: The library paid for the book (once) but you paid nothing to borrow it.I pay for the library in the first place, via taxes & rates.	fred_fish (15241)
1255127	2012-01-20 23:00:00	I hate it how big record labels and what not go on about how they are losing revenue to piracy. Yes their revenue will decrease as more people pirate but they claim that the pirated versions are actually of value to them. IMO they haven't actually lost anything because the people who pirate their stuff wouldn't have brought it anyway. The way I see it there are two major groups of people who pirate: people who don't give a **** and people who can't afford to buy the real thing so they just download it for free anyway. The majority of either of these groups will never ever buy legit material in the current market. I don't think the first group will ever change and for the later to change big labels need to introduce good pricing. IMO cheap prices is the best method of anti-piracy and GOG.com has proved this. Old games which you can probably download for free just by searching for them on google actually sell because they are offered in DRM free, legal versions for around $5US. Why should I go out to the jb hifi or whatever and pay $30 for a new release DVD when I can get it for free in maybe less than an hour without moving (apart from it being morally right and legal). It's about convenience and now it's easier for someone to download music illegally than it is to say legally purchase it via iTunes and then chances are you'll end up with DRM (I know itunes has removed it now) which is designed to stop people from pirating, but really has it ever worked? It just ends up annoying the end user. In no way do I think piracy is right or people should get away with it, it's just the way companies currently go about it is stupid. Anyway how can you sue LimeWire for more money than there is in existence? Companies overvalue what they have, but shouldn't piracy tell them it's not worth that much at all?	icow (15313)
1255128	2012-01-20 23:31:00	Reading that gives the impression that if a company is making loads of money, then its perfectly fine to take what otherwise should be paid for . No that's not OK . Saying its not a physical item - I can see where you are coming from - But the mentality of people pirating is wrong, people are trying to compare and justify old items with new technology --- Most people that pirate music, films what ever, wouldn't walk into a book shop, or music store and steal it from the shelf . Because copyright infringement is different to theft and people know that . Neither is right, but similarly, a lot of people (given the right circumstances) could justify punching someone but would draw the line short of taking to them with a bat . Lets say you worked all week at doing some program for a company, then at the end of the week, the person in charge said - narrr its not good enough - redo it, or in fact lets bin it -- OH by the way - you're not getting paid for that week of work, the work wasn't used . Its not actually a physical thing . Its only coding and a bunch of 1's and 0's which can be wiped as if it never existed . That would be OK - No pay ? If you were contracted to supply code to a particular standard or purpose and it didn't, then yes . But that's not what you are getting at :) Now take the other side of that -- your work is used -- the company makes billions of dollars from your work -- but since you only worked on it for a week, thats all you will get, no extra payouts, even though you have put a copyright on it, royalty clauses etc . Again, if you are employed and paid weekly, then any code you produce would be owned by, and copyright of, your employer .	fred_fish (15241)
1255129	2012-01-20 23:31:00	Years ago, way way back in time, before Star Wars, and before the 8088 was invented. My friends used to by an LP Album every week on pay day. (the price of a CD today is probably cheaper relatively) They were all single and working and could afford to do that. But when you get older and have children and mortgages there is not so much spare cash.	Digby (677)
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