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| Thread ID: 122906 | 2012-01-19 20:48:00 | Megaupload gone | nedkelly (9059) | PC World Chat |
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| 1255090 | 2012-01-20 04:23:00 | That is the biggest load of gibberish that I have ever read. What you describe so ineloquently, is the definition of piracy in itself. It is highly unlikely that any pirate would ever go back later and pay, that's a fantasy lifted straight from cloud-cuckoo land. Billy Actually that's not true. My dad loves his music and probably has one of the biggest collections of cassette tapes, vinyl and CDs in the country. He has spent a small fortune on music over the years and a lot of stuff he has bought more than once as the newer mediums became available. He often downloads music to see if it is any good or not. If he doesn't like it then he just deletes it. If he likes it then he goes and buys the CD or vinyl and he also deletes the downloads. Now he does this mainly because a lot of the music he likes is not even available to buy in New Zealand so he buys the CDs from Amazon and other places. But before he buys something from why shouldn't he be allowed to listen to it first to see if he likes it? |
CYaBro (73) | ||
| 1255091 | 2012-01-20 04:38:00 | Re: the majority. If they borrowed a CD from the library or off a mate at school, how many of them would later go out and buy Windows or Office or that game or music CD .... Don't some music stores allow one to listen in NZ .... |
Nomad (952) | ||
| 1255092 | 2012-01-20 04:43:00 | And it's not MegaUpload that were doing any infringing anyway. They just provided the service of storage for uploading and downloading files. It's the users that put the illegal content on there. I do not know if MU operated in this way, but, Filesonic, Wupload and many others pay uploaders per download. I think this is the part which may cause legal issues. Sooner rather than later we will see more services akin to SpiderOak being shut down, too, out of sheer paranoia if nothing else. This, however, is very upsetting. US has jurisdiction over anything that happens in NZ. Are we a god damn protectorate? I know this is how it will play out: They finance pirates, the pirates are from countries like Pakistan, because Pakistan also has terrorists.... ... They are financing the Taliban fighters... |
Cato (6936) | ||
| 1255093 | 2012-01-20 04:46:00 | Re: the majority. If they borrowed a CD from the library or off a mate at school, how many of them would later go out and buy Windows or Office or that game or music CD .... Don't some music stores allow one to listen in NZ .... That's a BS argument. You can listen to almost anything you want on youtube. Why download from MU or torrents if you can do that? |
Cato (6936) | ||
| 1255094 | 2012-01-20 04:49:00 | There is a basic rule for survival in this world: When you are in over your head, stop digging! Dishonesty is a fundamental component of the majority of statutory offences relating to the acquisition, conversion and disposal of property (tangible or intangible i.e including software downloads of intangibles such as data streams) as clearly defined in criminal law. "Acquisition and conversion" embrace the dowloading of intellectual property over which you do not have colour of right. The argument you advance is not only semantic, but downright stupid Notwithstanding the obvious moral and legal issues with copyright infringement, I would beg to differ: The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorized taking, keeping or using of another's property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use.Clearly this is not the case with illegal COPYING of copyrighted material and the industry's (mostly successful) attempts to inject this falsehood into the public psyche is disingenuous and self-serving. The highly inflated "estimated losses" and totally disproportionate penalties in relation to serious property crimes are a ridiculous commentary on the state of society. and it is incredibly naive of you to post this on a public forum where others with opposing views and interests might seek to obtain your details. You can bet your bottom dollar that Fairfax/PCW is not going to die on the barricades to save your skin. If asked, they will give your personal details up in a heartbeat and as you well know, everything that goes on the web stays on the web.Last time I checked it was still not illegal to express an opinion in a public forum, however, when those laws are passed, you are correct, the mechanisms are in place to track down the offenders (and probably extradite them to the USSA for prosecution). There are enough archives out there to sink most of the pirates on the planet. I found a (free) knitting pattern for my sister-in-law on an archive dating several years back and the site was long gone....along with the agreement with the copyright holder to distribute the work. I trust you established that the 'web archive' had also the right to distribute that work to you? |
fred_fish (15241) | ||
| 1255095 | 2012-01-20 05:12:00 | That's a BS argument. You can listen to almost anything you want on youtube. Why download from MU or torrents if you can do that? Not sure what side you coming from. But yeah .. while youtube do now and then police activities, but if you can youtube it, what's wrong with doing it thru other channels. Maybe the diff is that youtube police them but some others may not. My side was just that if someone at school borrowed a CD off a classmate, I don't think many of them would later go out and buy the product. Could be wrong though. |
Nomad (952) | ||
| 1255096 | 2012-01-20 05:36:00 | Under the law 'youtubing it' is no different to downloading it if you are not complying with the terms of the rightsholders distribution policy, it's just less easily enforced than torrents. | fred_fish (15241) | ||
| 1255097 | 2012-01-20 06:08:00 | And it's not MegaUpload that were doing any infringing anyway. They just provided the service of storage for uploading and downloading files. It's the users that put the illegal content on there. I always thought being in the possession of stolen property was a crime |
plod (107) | ||
| 1255098 | 2012-01-20 06:13:00 | I always thought being in the possession of stolen property was a crime Thought so too. I think CYaBro was going towards the they did nothing but still had/have responsibility for the files that someone else put up there. |
icow (15313) | ||
| 1255099 | 2012-01-20 06:14:00 | I always thought being in the possession of stolen property was a crime They didn't keep monitor every signle file that was uploaded to their servers. And what about probably every single online backup provider?? I'm sure there are lots of people that are backing up their illegally downloaded music/videos onto the online backup providers servers. Should they get taken down as well? |
CYaBro (73) | ||
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