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1255160	2012-01-21 22:37:00	My mate want's a rare Renee Geyer Song. My step father want's a few John Rowles Songs (the lessor known ones from his 1969 album) for their pc's. Also Eliza Keil from NZ 60's. I want some early legitimate Larry Morris, Erana Clark, Angela Ayers, (www.sergent.com.au) (remember her?) and John Hanlon digital songs. I have scoured legitimate sites, including their sites and related sites, eMusic, Amazon, etc. Nothing. Never will be. I emailed a few companies for Geyers/Rowles asking for info. Still waiting after 3 weeks... Scenario's like this - where song's are unlikely to be commercially reproduced digitally, even from popular artists, - i.e.music studios/recording industry won't produce certain songs. This might drive some either to convert (LP to mp3) to share online, or seek such music from share sites. Call it piracy or similar. I call it lost nostalgia music. Never to be regained easily for some.	kahawai chaser (3545)
1255161	2012-01-21 22:58:00	Yeah sadly sites containing pirated material can have larger and better libraries of content than legit providers.	icow (15313)
1255162	2012-01-22 00:33:00	2) You can re-download at any time, in any format, all music already paid for, in the event you lose anything due to hard drive failure etc. (Hopefully that would be feasible) And why should they allow that? You didn't get to go back to a shop when your tape got eaten by the tape payer and get another for free. It's your problem if you didn't back up. Because thats what the customers want, Its up to the industry to provide a product that people are willing to pay for.basic pricipal of bussiness. Instead they bankroll politicians in order build a legal avenue to attack there customer base, who they seek to bankrupt,imprison and control. Madness, and abhorrent.	Metla (12)
1255163	2012-01-22 00:45:00	Yeah sadly sites containing pirated material can have larger and better libraries of content than legit providers. That can be the fault of the artists. The travelling wilburys vol1 was out of production for years, Roy orbisons wife had the rights for it. Second hand copies were going for over $ 100 a cd. It finally has been rereleased both in cd format and digital format.	plod (107)
1255164	2012-01-22 01:01:00	Righto, My personal position. It’s there product, they own the rights to it, I have never seen any argument that justifies peoples position of making copies.The lost revenue is a Turkey, Irrelevant of the figures it has no bearing on the matter, its their property, they haven't given permission, the argument pretty much ends there. People take it because it’s free and easy. However I can understand and fully support the anger against the recording industry, for me it’s not because they are seeking to protect their revenue stream but because of the way they are doing it, The hole they are digging can only get bigger and I hope to see it consume them. The US government should be moving against these actions rather than getting into bed with them for the sake of a few dollars and personal power. For me it means only buying second hand CD's unless it’s a NZ artist in which case I may buy a new item, Sure I have plenty of mp3's as does just about everyone. I fully understand that these are copies of a protected work and I would quite happily go to a pay model if they offered a suitable product. What I would expect before these sinful bastards get another cent from me -Stop attacking your customer base, hopefully the backlash will crush you. -Quality-Compressed audio has no value, its available free already. The spin off from this is sound engineers compressing the audio on the source so they won't sound so inferior when someone uploads them to youtube. What sort of queer mentality is this? It’s like making poo flavored food because that’s what it ends up like anyway. -Value for money-CD's have always been a rort, perhaps people wouldn't have abandoned them if they weren't $30 each, Now you still want to charge a premium for a product that cost you next to nothing. You loan the bands the money to make the album then you take 100% of the proceeds to pay back the "loan" until you get to your profit margin, then you continue to take the vast majority of every sale. Then we get a product of poor audio quality with no packaging or logistical costs...and at what cost? All digital albums should be below $5, Hell, I'd buy 5 a week without a seconds thought. Why is it I can buy a blu-ray movie in town for less than the cost of a digital album? -I should be able to access my purchased items at any time, from anywhere, from any device registered in my name, for life. It costs you nothing and it’s a feature I would happily pay for. It works for e-books, the fact that I can view any purchased item on my phone, my wives phone, my tablet, my pc and my laptop means I have spent more money on books in the last 40 days then I have in a decade, It also means I have read a heap of books in the last few weeks. Thank you e-books/amazon for awakening my long ignored love of reading books. -DRM, ***, what are they thinking. An example, I have been buying blu-ray movies recently with the intention of building up a solid collection, the last 2 I purchased wouldn't play thanks to DRM. I am no longer buying an Blu-Ray movies. Well done, I suffer, you suffer, and no doubt the resulting action is you will take some knob to court for having a poor quality copy of it on their harddrive.	Metla (12)
1255165	2012-01-22 01:04:00	And I still think that 400 or so CD's on a CD rack looks cool. I rip the CD's to FLAC for my PC and there you go - sorted. I convert songs that I want to put on my phone for running to MP3. Maybe that's seen as questionable but I bought the CD, I've still got the physical item sitting in my CD rack. You can get 400 CD's on one rack ? But seriously that is a good idea to rip your CD's to FLAC. Because as we all know CD's can and do crap out. And I think that if you have bought a CD that gives your the right to play the music on what and where you like as long as its for you.	Digby (677)
1255166	2012-01-22 02:19:00	You can get 400 CD's on one rack ? No unfortunately. Currently they are in 3 racks plus a pile sitting on the entertainment cabinet. I have an upcoming project to build a storage system to hold all the CD's plus DVD, Blu-ray, and Xbox 360 & PS3 games. When I finally get round to that (and SWMBO knows it will take some time if history is anything to go by :)) then it will look cool :) Right now I've just put down a beer brew and the next week will be spent looking after that! All about priorities.	Tukapa (62)
1255167	2012-01-22 04:13:00	Yes that store sounds great. But as Winston001 said how would they stop people sharing the songs they have bought ? There is NO way to stop that, which is why the record industry has always been against selling music online. They are not as stupid as people make them out to be. There are no issues with sharing online purchased music that didn't already exist with previous formats! Tapes are copyable, CDs are copyable, MP3s are copyable, the only thing NOT copyable is DRM'd stuff... except that is crackable and copyable too. So what would be the difference? Nothing, as far as I can see. 2) You can re-download at any time, in any format, all music already paid for, in the event you lose anything due to hard drive failure etc. (Hopefully that would be feasible) And why should they allow that? You didn't get to go back to a shop when your tape got eaten by the tape payer and get another for free. It's your problem if you didn't back up. Yeah I agree, if you don't backup that's your fault, BUT since online downloads vs a tape don't require anyone to send you a physical item and pay for its manufacture, the costs associated with re-distributing the file are probably negligible to nonexistent. Of course if they weren't, then that doesn't have to be an option. But I think it would just be a good way to get customers ;) 3) No DRM, and preferably open source formats where possible and convenient. And that won't happen because they can't trust people not to share it. Refer to the above reply in response to Digby's post. Yeah sadly sites containing pirated material can have larger and better libraries of content than legit providers. True, that - indeed some pirated material is stuff people want but for some reason the media corporation doesn't want to sell to them. And then they complain that someone pirated it... Well, guess what, you weren't going to make any money off it by not releasing it, were you?	Agent_24 (57)
1255168	2012-01-22 04:54:00	Well, guess what, you weren't going to make any money off it by not releasing it, were you? Very perceptive of you !	Digby (677)
1255169	2012-01-22 10:52:00	"I think it's a good idea because it's people trading music. It has nothing to do with industry or finance, it's just people that want music and there's nothing wrong with that. It's the same as someone turning on the f****** radio, it's the same as someone putting a cassette in a cassette deck when the BBC plays a special radio session. I don't think it's a crime, it's been going on for years. It's the same as people making tapes for each other. The industry is more threatened by it because it's the worldwide web and it's a broader scope of trading, but I don't think it's such a f******* horrible thing. The first thing we should do is get all the f****** millionaires to shut their mouths, stop bitching about the 25 cents a time they're losing." -- Dave Grohl (Foo Fighters)	rob_on_guitar (4196)
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