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Thread ID: 123017	2012-01-27 23:58:00	Communist Christchurch	Twelvevolts (5457)	PC World Chat

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1256260	2012-01-28 22:44:00	Yip Lurking, we had a few showers on the West after the Feb one. Everyone throughout the city has been there for one another because everyone has been effected in some way (apart from the knobs in Avonhead who are out washing their 4x4 every weekend when they get a spec of silt on it). The top end of the council have lost touch with whats going on in the city and the people who live in it. The guy doesn't deserve what he gets now (see Snorkbox's link), giving him more isn't going to change anything. Good link Snorkbox, funny how he is trying to play the good-guy victim in it all. "It also quotes him as saying the backlash has been tough on staff and distracting to the city's rebuild, and he wants to act in the spirit of the council working together. In the statement he says the rejection of the pay rise is a sign of his commitment to Christchurch, the council and its staff." What a load of bollocks, public pressure caused him to reject his pay rise, NOT his commitment to the city, the man didn't even return to the city (he was on holiday) when asked to return after the Xmas quakes. At least the Mayor flew back. As for CERA.... my rates don't pay them - sadly yours and my taxes do though. They are another joke of people who want axing. Who knows what they do to earn their 1000 dollars a day jobs.	Iantech (16386)
1256261	2012-01-28 23:43:00	I thought you were starting to display some coherence to your argument a post ago, but it seems you have slipped back into inept cliche's and deliberate misreading of what I said. FWIW, I note you don't have a better one either... :groan: Yes I do, but no, we got the guy they picked, and as for his performance review & rate of pay: - (from the artilce linked above) The 'market rate' system is completely sensible, it just needs to be implemented properly AND TRANSPARENTLY. That's fine, and I agree with you. The point I'm making is that double standards are commonly applied, and this culture needs to change. In the business I am a part of everyone shares in the success or otherwise of the company. Notwithstanding changes of skillset or responsibility, salary increases are pretty much the same from the shop floor to the top. And before you get to frothing, just to be clear, this is not a "commie" "everyone is paid the same" deal, management still gets more than the cleaner ... :rolleyes: The organisation as a whole prospers from everyone's efforts and the rewards of those efforts are shared equitably. Who's frothing - the system you describe is good business practice and is exactly what I would do, people perfrom best when they see a fair distribution of the profits. Not sure why you think I should have a better system for councils - I'm supporting the status quo, that means I support performance based pay, market rates and democratic elections. If the guy ain't performing - don't offer him an increase, hardly rocket science is it. If he is performing and that is the market rate, let him get on with it.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1256262	2012-01-28 23:59:00	Who's frothing - the system you describe is good business practice and is exactly what I would do, people perfrom best when they see a fair distribution of the profits . Not sure why you think I should have a better system for councils - I'm supporting the status quo, that means I support performance based pay, market rates and democratic elections . If the guy ain't performing - don't offer him an increase, hardly rocket science is it . If he is performing and that is the market rate, let him get on with it . <facepalm> So the point of your OP was what, exactly?	fred_fish (15241)
1256263	2012-01-29 00:29:00	<facepalm> So the point of your OP was what, exactly? To see if there was a coherent argument to the opposition of market rates being applied at Christchurch City Council - so far their isn't.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1256264	2012-01-29 01:02:00	I don't see any opposition to paying market rates! Just a fairly justifiable argument that 'market rates' is NOT what he is getting in this instance.	fred_fish (15241)
1256265	2012-01-29 01:57:00	You didn't really expect 12 volts to actually make sense did you Fred_fish?	Snorkbox (15764)
1256266	2012-01-29 02:04:00	I don't see any opposition to paying market rates! Just a fairly justifiable argument that 'market rates' is NOT what he is getting in this instance. Well it pretty clearly is given what other councils are paying their CEO's, certainly not out of kilter with Wellington CC for example. Now there may be a valid argument that these guys are all over paid and somehow jack up the market rate, but the market rate isn't just what you think it should be.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1256267	2012-01-29 02:43:00	Well, it pretty clearly isn't. The documents also include advice to the council that Mr Marryatt's original salary of $470,000 was substantially above the median salary offered to chief executives in large public sector organisations. Not to mention the fact that the rest of those public sector salaries are probably also out of step with the 'going rates' in the private sector for similar positions. There would be very few people on that sort of money in private businesses in NZ. By definition, a 'market rate' is that which the market is willing to pay for a given commodity. The market, in this case, being the ratepayers that employ him to do the job. Given the public outcry, it would seem that the "market" has determined that they are not getting value for money.	fred_fish (15241)
1256268	2012-01-29 02:50:00	Market rates is just another level created by the top echelons to keep getting more of the pie as it were. Same thing applies to job descriptions, lets make the Town Clerk sound more important and call him Chief Executice Officer and give it a lot more pay to go with it. What do they do with their title! lets have 25 managers and their hangers on, as is the case in Christchurch. Twelvevolts you stated my case in your last post in the first paragraph. Same thing happens in the export market place, why the f*** should we have to pay more for milk in NZ to cover the freight to o/s markets, they want our milk so let them pay the freight costs and take it into their costs. Don't go getting into Fixed and Variable costs now. It is all about "greed". Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1256269	2012-01-29 06:25:00	Market rates is just another level created by the top echelons to keep getting more of the pie as it were. Yes, "market rates" certainly don't apply at lower levels - that's why most firms want to keep staff wages confidential, so you don't know what your fellow worker is being paid.	decibel (11645)
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