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Thread ID: 123017	2012-01-27 23:58:00	Communist Christchurch	Twelvevolts (5457)	PC World Chat

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1256250	2012-01-28 11:27:00	I don't think bicycle tracks or hemp farms are on anyone's agenda at the moment. I just want a council that is going to fix the stuff that needs fixing, in the fastest and most efficient manner. The CEO is a critical driver of that process and needs to have the interest of the city as a first priority. Given the current situation, accepting such a ludicrous increase shows fairly clearly where his priorities lie. Defending his deservedness of it, to ratepayers who are not getting the services their rates pay for from the organisation he is in charge of, is piss poor form. Well how you going to set the CEO's salary under your system - a vote of Labour party members perhaps?	Twelvevolts (5457)
1256251	2012-01-28 13:03:00	Well how you going to set the CEO's salary under your system - a vote of Labour party members perhaps? Care to describe "my system"? I don't recall proposing one. FWIW I think "market rate" is appropriate. In my opinion he is well above that already, and a healthy chunk ahead of the bloke running the country! It's funny how when it comes to the 'workers' pay, there is no money and plenty of reasons why 2% will have to do, but the chiefs seem to get their bonus' and a fat increase regardless of the performance of the organisation.	fred_fish (15241)
1256252	2012-01-28 14:15:00	I'm sure a red CEO and Mayor combo could cost you less in salaries - but you'll pay more rates overall because they'll have all sorts of schemes to spend your money on bicycle tracks to hemp farms, or want to make sure you can only buy eco light bulbs that only their council owned light bulb monopoly sells, or just plain waste time arguing over how much water you'll be allowed in your shower. Yeah - by then you'll be wishing you paid market rates.You cant be serious are you? You think paying are CEO over 500 grand a year will get you a good one? Nope. Find someone who wants to do it because they want to make the city a better place not because they are driven by greed, rule by fear and arent around when they are needed most. I was talking to one of my suppliers on Friday who just got a warrant for her car that cost over $700, why? had to replace the shockies because the council has not repaired the roads yet. There are still people using chemical toilets from last September because the council havent fixed the sewer pipes yet. There are water shortages because the council havent repeared the pumping stations and pipes yet, the list goes on and on. And all the council can do is give themselves a pay increase, worry that the grass is going brown in parks on the west side of town and worry about the prostitutes on manchester street who have nowhere to dispose of their needles and condoms and are complaining that the council should provide facilities for them. All anyone wants is for the council to get its act together and start working for the people, get things working so we can try and live a normal life like the rest of NZ. The council made a surplus of 25 million end of last year, yet they still want to increase our rates this year and about the only thing regular from the council we see is rubbish collection. Please dont pass judgement on what the Mayor or CEO of the council deserve when you have no idea whats going on.	Iantech (16386)
1256253	2012-01-28 20:15:00	You cant be serious are you? You think paying are CEO over 500 grand a year will get you a good one? Nope. Find someone who wants to do it because they want to make the city a better place not because they are driven by greed, rule by fear and arent around when they are needed most. I was talking to one of my suppliers on Friday who just got a warrant for her car that cost over $700, why? had to replace the shockies because the council has not repaired the roads yet. There are still people using chemical toilets from last September because the council havent fixed the sewer pipes yet. There are water shortages because the council havent repeared the pumping stations and pipes yet, the list goes on and on. And all the council can do is give themselves a pay increase, worry that the grass is going brown in parks on the west side of town and worry about the prostitutes on manchester street who have nowhere to dispose of their needles and condoms and are complaining that the council should provide facilities for them. All anyone wants is for the council to get its act together and start working for the people, get things working so we can try and live a normal life like the rest of NZ. The council made a surplus of 25 million end of last year, yet they still want to increase our rates this year and about the only thing regular from the council we see is rubbish collection. Please dont pass judgement on what the Mayor or CEO of the council deserve when you have no idea whats going on. I understand the earthquakes have knocked the hell out of the town - but that is irrelevent to the question of how you determine the pay of the CEO. (it may well be relevant to whether he accepts the pay increase - but that's up to him). I don't know the worth of the Christchurch Mayor or the CEO - but the point is about what process you use to establish the salary of the CEO. Firstly though the Mayor was a elected official - the majority of people in Christchurch apparently wanted him so you get what the majority vote for (I rarely agree with the majority myself). You don't like the Council - well they were voted by the people of Christchurch as well. I gather the CEO remuneration was determined not by him - but by an independent committee who looked at what people who lead these organisations get in the market. I also read that he got an excellent performance review, so he is doing the job well according to those who reviewed him. Now you think there was someone better out there - well presumably they could have applied for the job and didn't - or they did and weren't selected. So you have the best CEO they could find for the money you offered, if he is no good maybe you shouild up the pay rate and find a better one. I thought CERA was responsible for Earthquake recovery anyway - so isn't your point about how well the recovery is or isn't going best addressed to their CEO? Anyways if there is a better way to appoint your CEO and determine what they are paid, then so far no one appears to have identified what it is.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1256254	2012-01-28 20:23:00	Care to describe "my system"? I don't recall proposing one. FWIW I think "market rate" is appropriate. In my opinion he is well above that already, and a healthy chunk ahead of the bloke running the country! It's funny how when it comes to the 'workers' pay, there is no money and plenty of reasons why 2% will have to do, but the chiefs seem to get their bonus' and a fat increase regardless of the performance of the organisation. Ok you agree with the market rate - so cool you have the best guy they could find for the money on offer. He got a good performance review as well I'm told - so you must be pleased the organisation is performing well. As for the rest of us, if they give us 2% and we don't like it - we find a new employer who will pay us what we're worth. As for what your alternative is - I think you just confirmed you don't have a better one.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1256255	2012-01-28 20:52:00	What I like about the CEO is his generosity in declining the pay increase ... but is the rotten SH!T isn't going to give back the portion he has already been paid ... HELL NO !!	SP8's (9836)
1256256	2012-01-28 21:03:00	See here about the Council CEO. www.radionz.co.nz So apparently his last performance review was less than stellar.	Snorkbox (15764)
1256257	2012-01-28 21:12:00	You cant be serious are you? You think paying are CEO over 500 grand a year will get you a good one? Nope. Find someone who wants to do it because they want to make the city a better place not because they are driven by greed, rule by fear and arent around when they are needed most. I was talking to one of my suppliers on Friday who just got a warrant for her car that cost over $700, why? had to replace the shockies because the council has not repaired the roads yet. There are still people using chemical toilets from last September because the council havent fixed the sewer pipes yet. There are water shortages because the council havent repeared the pumping stations and pipes yet, the list goes on and on. And all the council can do is give themselves a pay increase, worry that the grass is going brown in parks on the west side of town and worry about the prostitutes on manchester street who have nowhere to dispose of their needles and condoms and are complaining that the council should provide facilities for them. All anyone wants is for the council to get its act together and start working for the people, get things working so we can try and live a normal life like the rest of NZ. The council made a surplus of 25 million end of last year, yet they still want to increase our rates this year and about the only thing regular from the council we see is rubbish collection. Please dont pass judgement on what the Mayor or CEO of the council deserve when you have no idea whats going on. *2 Ian. ceo !!! take that title back to "Town Clerk" for starters. Ian a letter to the Editor of The Press recently, expounded on the Westies not doing their bit for the other side of town and this would be a fair comment up to a point, as easties we were at least treated by friends in Bryndwr to meals and showers a couple of times. Twelvevolts, the man in this household claims to be Communist coming from Yugoslavia, won't say from which area and he reckons if we were commies a lot more would have been done by now. One thing commies would have done, is taken land under the Public Works Act on the day after the 4 September 2010, (that's 2010) and started a new satelite township, even I sent a email to Phil GOFF about this action, but it was passed down to COSGROVE for reply. That could have made the difference to the election result. We did not vote for the personality dude either, too flashy for us. Those two blokes have over 890 less buildings in the city to worry about, so thought they would have taken a cut in pay, ROFL. Go with that for now. Lurking. Ps. Ian we are more worried about the liquefaction getting into engines and brakes etc, that's a b l o o d y fine sand almost grinding paste. lurks.	Lurking (218)
1256258	2012-01-28 22:29:00	See here about the Council CEO. www.radionz.co.nz So apparently his last performance review was less than stellar. Try downloading the documents from the council's website. www.ccc.govt.nz Marryatt was CEO of Hamilton when the V8 races were first proposed. That turned out to be a fiasco.	martynz (5445)
1256259	2012-01-28 22:36:00	As for what your alternative is - I think you just confirmed you don't have a better one. I thought you were starting to display some coherence to your argument a post ago, but it seems you have slipped back into inept cliche's and deliberate misreading of what I said. FWIW, I note you don't have a better one either... :groan: Ok you agree with the market rate - so cool you have the best guy they could find for the money on offer. He got a good performance review as well I'm told - so you must be pleased the organisation is performing well. Yes I do, but no, we got the guy they picked, and as for his performance review & rate of pay: - (from the artilce linked above) Now, papers have been released under the Official Information Act and include two in-house reviews of Mr Marryatt's performance. They show him doing only moderately well at his job and his performance has continued to slide since at least 2009. The documents also include advice to the council that Mr Marryatt's original salary of $470,000 was substantially above the median salary offered to chief executives in large public sector organisations. The 'market rate' system is completely sensible, it just needs to be implemented properly AND TRANSPARENTLY. As for the rest of us, if they give us 2% and we don't like it - we find a new employer who will pay us what we're worth. That's fine, and I agree with you. The point I'm making is that double standards are commonly applied, and this culture needs to change. In the business I am a part of everyone shares in the success or otherwise of the company. Notwithstanding changes of skillset or responsibility, salary increases are pretty much the same from the shop floor to the top. And before you get to frothing, just to be clear, this is not a "commie" "everyone is paid the same" deal, management still gets more than the cleaner ... :rolleyes: The organisation as a whole prospers from everyone's efforts and the rewards of those efforts are shared equitably.	fred_fish (15241)
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