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Thread ID: 123140	2012-02-06 05:36:00	Are we not all equal?	beetle (243)	PC World Chat

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1257802	2012-02-06 22:07:00	The religous pillock leading the camp could have helped fill the paternal gaps that exist in your kids lives, and could have stood as a male role model to them. Instead he distanced himself and showed biggotism. To hell with him. He's proven his uselessness in the role. THere are plenty of families broken up by worse things than parental disagreements. Cancer, disease, injury... all families can lose a parental figure at any time (and call it an act of God). Sure, there's a gap left that the other parent will fill to some degree, but this can be any family, and often times it will be a Christian family as well. So this idiot is going to criticise families of the bereaved as well? There are also plenty of families with mongrel parents, who swear, drink, gamble and abuse their kids. Should these families be held in a greater respect than yours due to the presence of two crappy parents? Hell NO! The guy's a dick. Find yourself some other groups to nourish your kids in, rather than the toxic environment he has created. Personally, I spent a lot of my life disliking my dad, but I also treasure a lot of the values he instilled in me. These were values learnt not from his lectures, but from watching his actions. In most cases I respected and absorbed his ethics. In other cases I resolved not to be like him. Either way, good or bad, he still stood as a moral compas for ways a person should or shouldn't behave. I was able to make my own judgements of his character. Your kids can do likewise with all the others in their lives... yourself, their teachers, family, friends. We all inherently know good from bad, honor from dishonor, and we all choose our own actions. THe trick is not to yeild too often to the bad influences out there.	Paul.Cov (425)
1257803	2012-02-06 23:02:00	Cicero: thanks for the link earlier to Sam Harris. Although his conclusion seems pre-determined and his case a little self serving, he does have some interesting points. I've book marked the page to hear later, what he has to say in the other vids . :) In that case try .......... goo.gl	Cicero (40)
1257804	2012-02-06 23:14:00	You come across as a likeable, kind caring and quirky person. Don't ever let anyone tell you you're not good enough because they are talking out of their ass.	DeSade (984)
1257805	2012-02-06 23:25:00	Aparently it was all the leaders at the camp that were voicing this sort of thing, both male and female. it was the females that came and talked to me while i was waiting for my daughter. they were very polite and kind of gushy till i said a few things about parenting, choice and trying to teach right from wrong. and the moment the single parent info popped out, it was like a light went out...... Earlier in the week i had talked to a male leader at camp, and felt a bit fobbed off, as i was concerned about the normal fall outs teenagers have and have been battling over the holidays the fall out from one quite determined vicious teen who is no longer part of our lives......... the spread of numerous un truths are quite difficult when you are the supposed sole item of gossip. I went to him for help, my duaghter in the past went to him for help, they (both M & F) are all much younger than me, seems like a zillion years younger, early 20's a lot of them and some not even having a partner. while others have had a bit of life, and children of their own........ but all happily married..... producing multiple amounts of children regularly. apparently showing the best role models possible.......:( we dont or very rarely have contact with the dad, always instigated by my children, i do have some close friends who are great male role models, but who are happily married and have busy lives. so it is hard to find the time, to have a male input into my childrens lives. i do my best, and yes it can be lonely, but my kids are really a important part of my life and at the moment it revolves around them. and when they hurt, i hurt. Thanks all for your input..... My fellow workers are horrified by what i have said happened, ( much more in depth of course) but still have the same angry type of response. Hope you are all doing well in your own lives, treat every one with respect and dont judge others especially if youre not walking the same path. beetle	beetle (243)
1257806	2012-02-06 23:30:00	LOL thanks Desade........ if you ask some of the long time pf1 people ..............quirky......... and electrifying are good words to describe me............ i used to also think ditsy, but age is slowly irradicating that part..... respect, and honesty is always been high on my list of things i try to be and give. :)	beetle (243)
1257807	2012-02-06 23:44:00	they (both M & F) are all much younger than me, seems like a zillion years younger, early 20's a lot of them and some not even having a partner. while others have had a bit of life, and children of their own........ but all happily married..... producing multiple amounts of children regularly. apparently showing the best role models possible....... Yeah right (where's the bloody Tui ad gone) ... and I bet if you you dug deep enough into their background and stuck a couple of hidden cameras in the homes ... you'd find they're not as perfect as you are beetle ;)	SP8's (9836)
1257808	2012-02-07 00:15:00	Um sure im perfect...................:p at what? i have no idea............... but as to the rest im just a mere mortal who does her best........... you did make me laugh tho, never thought i have been anything near perfect, i manage to stuff up a lot............. :) but with my kids i try particularly hard to get it right.... :)	beetle (243)
1257809	2012-02-07 01:30:00	. Yeah right (where's the bloody Tui ad gone) . . . and I bet if you you dug deep enough into their background and stuck a couple of hidden cameras in the homes . . . you'd find they're not as perfect as you are beetle ;) Bet? I'd be surprised if it wasn't a certainty .	Agent_24 (57)
1257810	2012-02-07 02:19:00	Well I'm not Christian and never have been yet I married one. My wife doesn't go to church and was a single Mum for 9 years, her husband left when my stepson was 18months old, My wife was excommunicated from her church for sleeping with her first husband before they were married as was her best friend. She believes in a higher being, we have had many open debates on the subject and my stepson has been allowed to make his own decision. I actually believe in the Christian morals even though I'm not one and remember the Bible is NOT Gods word as some like to believe but is mans interpretation of what was supposedly said, I prefer to treat it like a work of fiction and would look for it under that section in the library. My wife has been an excellent parent to her son and I'm sure you are a good parent too Beetle, you always ask for advice and then make up your own mind what is best	gary67 (56)
1257811	2012-02-07 02:28:00	Christians? Those delusion judgmental hypocritical small minded fools that have condemned every single person who doesn't follow their perverse fantasies to eternal suffering? Why would anyone care what they think?....they are mad. Best you can do is tell your kids that they are sick and its best to avoid them. My thoughts exactly. There is no god. In USA they have a virginity pledge and a ring where they promise they wont chop it up till they get married. But research shows they still root as much as the people who dont do the pledge.	prefect (6291)
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