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Thread ID: 125346	2012-06-21 21:59:00	+4gb for my current setup?	8ftmetalhaed (14526)	Press F1

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1283290	2012-06-21 21:59:00	Debating with myself as to whether an extra 4gb ram would come in handy. Specs in sig, yay or nay? As for what I do, games, bit of doodling in SAI and gimp, have PS, fair bit of multi tasking. Task manager has 3gb cached as standard, though the usage meter sits around 1.55gb.	8ftmetalhaed (14526)
1283291	2012-06-21 22:31:00	Probably not. You're not going to want to muck around in Photoshop while you do your gaming. I'd suggest either an SSD or beef up your graphics card for your next upgrade (Though you may need to look into a bigger PSU if you opt for a bigger graphics card too)	Chilling_Silence (9)
1283292	2012-06-21 22:40:00	4gb should be more than enough for gaming. But, you could always have a look at how much is being used when you're multi-tasking.	Nick G (16709)
1283293	2012-06-21 22:49:00	The current GPU handles everything I play at the moment, I guess I can put some cash away for an SSD, since load times (at least in terms of windows) are relatively long at times. I'd only go for something to stick the OS and a couple of other things on though, since those things are pretty damn expensive	8ftmetalhaed (14526)
1283294	2012-06-21 23:42:00	Is this a long startup time. If so, how many programs are set to run on startup?	Nick G (16709)
1283295	2012-06-22 05:03:00	I do try to keep my startup tidy, and while it's a little slower than I'd ideally like it to be, I don't restart that often. Just in case you can suggest anything, though, have a HJT log Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.4 Scan saved at 4:00:13 p.m., on 22/06/2012 Platform: Windows 7 SP1 (WinNT 6.00.3505) MSIE: Internet Explorer v9.00 (9.00.8112.16446) Boot mode: Normal Running processes: C:\Program Files (x86)\NEC Electronics\USB 3.0 Host Controller Driver\Application\nusb3mon.exe C:\Program Files\Logitech\SetPoint\x86\SetPoint32.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\Steam.exe C:\Users\Alex and Annette\Documents\Trend Micro\HiJackThis\HiJackThis.exe R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = go.microsoft.com R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = go.microsoft.com R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = go.microsoft.com R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = go.microsoft.com R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = go.microsoft.com R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page = C:\Windows\SysWOW64\blank.htm R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName = F2 - REG:system.ini: UserInit=userinit.exe, O2 - BHO: AcroIEHelperStub - {18DF081C-E8AD-4283-A596-FA578C2EBDC3} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelperShim.dll O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In SSV Helper - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre7\bin\ssv.dll O2 - BHO: Windows Live ID Sign-in Helper - {9030D464-4C02-4ABF-8ECC-5164760863C6} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WindowsLiveLogin.dll O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper - {DBC80044-A445-435b-BC74-9C25C1C588A9} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre7\bin\jp2ssv.dll O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NUSB3MON] "C:\Program Files (x86)\NEC Electronics\USB 3.0 Host Controller Driver\Application\nusb3mon.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [JMB36X IDE Setup] C:\Windows\RaidTool\xInsIDE.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [StartCCC] "C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CLIStart.exe" MSRun O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Sidebar] C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\sidebar.exe /autoRun O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Google Update] "C:\Users\Alex and Annette\AppData\Local\Google\Update\GoogleUpdate.e xe" /c O4 - Startup: Disabled O4 - Global Startup: Logitech SetPoint.lnk = C:\Program Files\Logitech\SetPoint\SetPoint.exe O9 - Extra button: @C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Writer\WindowsLiveWriterShortcuts.dll,-1004 - {219C3416-8CB2-491a-A3C7-D9FCDDC9D600} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Writer\WriterBrowserExtension.dll O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: @C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Writer\WindowsLiveWriterShortcuts.dll,-1003 - {219C3416-8CB2-491a-A3C7-D9FCDDC9D600} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Writer\WriterBrowserExtension.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files (x86)\common files\microsoft shared\windows live\wlidnsp.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files (x86)\common files\microsoft shared\windows live\wlidnsp.dll O11 - Options group: [ACCELERATED_GRAPHICS] Accelerated graphics O15 - Trusted Zone: http://www.runescape.com O16 - DPF: {E2883E8F-472F-4FB0-9522-AC9BF37916A7} - platformdl.adobe.com O18 - Protocol: wlpg - {E43EF6CD-A37A-4A9B-9E6F-83F89B8E6324} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Photo Gallery\AlbumDownloadProtocolHandler.dll O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\Alg.exe,-112 (ALG) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\alg.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: AMD External Events Utility - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\atiesrxx.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: DES2 Service for Energy Saving. (DES2 Service) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\Gigabyte\EnergySaver2\des2svr.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\efssvc.dll,-100 (EFS) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\lsass.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: ESET Service (ekrn) - ESET - C:\Program Files\ESET\ESET Smart Security\x86\ekrn.exe O23 - Service: JMB36X - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\SysWOW64\XSrvSetup.exe O23 - Service: @keyiso.dll,-100 (KeyIso) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: Logitech Bluetooth Service (LBTServ) - Logitech, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Logishrd\Bluetooth\LBTServ.exe O23 - Service: Mozilla Maintenance Service (MozillaMaintenance) - Mozilla Foundation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Maintenance Service\maintenanceservice.exe O23 - Service: @comres.dll,-2797 (MSDTC) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\msdtc.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\System32\netlogon.dll,-102 (Netlogon) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\psbase.dll,-300 (ProtectedStorage) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: Cyberlink RichVideo Service(CRVS) (RichVideo) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\Shared files\RichVideo.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\samsrv.dll,-1 (SamSs) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\snmptrap.exe,-3 (SNMPTRAP) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\snmptrap.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\spoolsv.exe,-1 (Spooler) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\spoolsv.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\sppsvc.exe,-101 (sppsvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\sppsvc.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: Steam Client Service - Valve Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Steam\SteamService.exe O23 - Service: TabletServiceWacom - Wacom Technology, Corp. - C:\Program Files\Tablet\Wacom\Wacom_Tablet.exe O23 - Service: Wacom Professional Touch Service (TouchServiceWacom) - Wacom Technology, Corp. - C:\Program Files\Tablet\Wacom\Wacom_TouchService.exe O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\ui0detect.exe,-101 (UI0Detect) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\UI0Detect.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\vaultsvc.dll,-1003 (VaultSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\vds.exe,-100 (vds) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\vds.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\vssvc.exe,-102 (VSS) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\vssvc.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\wbengine.exe,-104 (wbengine) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\wbengine.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%Systemroot%\system32\wbem\wmiapsrv.exe,-110 (wmiApSrv) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\wbem\WmiApSrv.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%PROGRAMFILES%\Windows Media Player\wmpnetwk.exe,-101 (WMPNetworkSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Player\wmpnetwk.exe (file missing) -- End of file - 7204 bytes	8ftmetalhaed (14526)
1283296	2012-06-22 05:20:00	I'd say it depends how long you intend to keep it, RAM gets expensive once it's old techonology and it's pretty cheap to get right now. If 12 months down the track you discover you want more you may discover prices have increased. You probably won't benefit that much though, RAM demonstrates the Law of diminishing returns very well. upgrading from; 1-2GB = huge improvement for almost everyone 2-4GB = big improvement for most people 4-8GB = small improvement (unless you're a power user), possibly unoticeable 8-12GB = slight improvement, probably not in practice 12GB upwards - no gain for most home users	dugimodo (138)
1283297	2012-06-22 05:24:00	Well the last computer was from 2003, this one I got in 2009 when I started uni, and only because I acquired a decent amount of money and was able to get the OS free. That is, exactly the reason I was considering it. Also not sure what doing my project may bring, since I start that in about 4 weeks.	8ftmetalhaed (14526)
1283298	2012-06-22 05:28:00	Nope, can't really recommend and changes; not too many programs running on startup. Nice to see no toolbars :thumbs:	Nick G (16709)
1283299	2012-06-22 09:59:00	Win 7 64bit will gobble up and cache whatever you feed it, I've seen my one use 13Gb of its 16Gb after some heavy use. I think dugi sums it up though 4Gb is enough in most cases and you will probably see only a small gain going to 8Gb. Still, I doubt it will get much cheaper than it is at the moment, if you can get it, it would probably pay to. And your system will use it - you just might not notice it lol. After thought - your graphics may share some system memory also (my old 550Ti 1Gb card also used 3Gb system memory for example) so having more will help that also (if your gfx card shares memory).	Iantech (16386)
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