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Thread ID: 123360	2012-02-20 11:01:00	Do not go to hospital!!	Snorkbox (15764)	PC World Chat

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1260243	2012-02-20 23:10:00	You get what you pay for when its free.	prefect (6291)
1260244	2012-02-20 23:30:00	You get what you pay for when its free. Which as said, is first class. And note Pato's good taste.	Cicero (40)
1260245	2012-02-20 23:36:00	Almost three years ago, I had a heart attack whilst in A&E. What better place to have one :) I cannot praise the staff there enough. They were absolutely fantastic. I OWE THEM MY LIFE. The facilities in the coronary ward were/are equally fantastic. Never again will I knock the Wellington Hospital :)Last year I had three trips to A&E with heart problems. I found the staff to be marvellous and they have my admiration for the work they do under sometimes very difficult situations.	Pato (2463)
1260246	2012-02-20 23:46:00	Two things: Once they had nurses and doctors, and some orderlies and so on. Now they have masses of admin people too, I have a cousin in England apprently who is one of these types, she wanders around poking her nose in and making sure paperwork is filled out properly before anything is allowed to be done. For which she gets more money than senior nurses. Less paper pushers, more staff would help - look at the hours interns do....and they are the ones who see you first. The other - ever watched those docos on ER's? Full of idiots coming in with colds, parents bringing the kid instead of going to a GP cause it's free and drunks. Did I mention the drunks? Not only are they there cause of stupid accidents, like falling down steps, they're coming in unconscious from alcohol, vomiting everywhere and worse, being oboxious bastards to the staff. They have to treat them. Personally I think they should throw all those ones out the door, and the people using the place as a GP, that would leave more time and attention to the cases who really need to be there. And those on waiting lists for surgery and things - they get pushed to the end of the queue when ER fills up... That would improve the mistake ratio.	pctek (84)
1260247	2012-02-21 00:04:00	I can sympathise a bit for the doctors. Working with the public myself I've encountered plenty of times when the patients aren't listening properly. There's been multiple occasions when I've called <ficticious names being used throughout> Jill Smith from the waiting area, and get stuck into an exam routine only to discover after a while that the lady who got up and walked in was not Jill Smith. Some people just get up and come in as they assume they're next in line. Others just go "yup, yup, yup" when their details are being checked, and fail to hear that the date of birth read out for confirmation was NOT theirs, and hence the staff have the file for a completely different Jill Smith. There's been other occasions where I struggled to get an elderly ladies first name, as she kept insisting she was "Mrs Jack Smith" Other dolts when you're checking their details to see if you've got the right record say "nope" when their address is read out - sending staff searching for other files, when what they needed to say was simply "I used to live there, but now we've moved". Then you've got the people who get all pissy with me when I double-check their details, because they've already been through the process at reception (reception screws up lots). So far all the above cases are related to the patients making errors. We've still got to get to the situations where the 'professionals' make errors. Diagnsis is an art, not a science. Despite the confidence doctors have been taught to show when dishing out a diagnosis and treatment, they will always have at the back of their mind 'differential diagnoses' - being a list of possible alternative ailments, and the consequences of the current line of treatment causing trouble if one of these 'differentials' is in fact the true ailment. Then there's the issue of people with more than one ailment, where the treatment for one problem may be undesirable for the other ailment. Not such an issue if all the existing ailments are known, but potentially fatal in some cases if an underlying ailment is unknown to both the patient and to those treating them. Then there's crappy memory of patients. I've had guys list their medications only to have the wife chime in and say, "no, you were taken off those 5 years ago". Guys are useless with these details. Then there's the infinite variations that exist in the same disease from one patient to the next. No two people are the same, and some problems can be devilishly hard to diagnose, particularly when they imitate other conditions in terms of the available diagnostic clues, or when a patient has an atypical set of signs and symptoms. And within all that they have to cope with people who fabricate their problems, or exaggerate their symptoms, or the nut cases who bring other issues to the table, those who are after drugs, or an invalids benefit who are being deceptive, the control freaks, and the (typically middle aged European immigrants) who chose not to believe a word of the professionals diagnosis or advice, those who adjust their prescribed dosages, or simply don't use them, or use them intermittently, and those that self medicate with all manner of hokum that they buy from 'health shops', 'holistic healers', 'herbalists', 'homeopaty', etc... all of which may serve to further confuse the picture. Often in the course of treating a person, the patients worst enemy is the patient themselves. Rant over.	Paul.Cov (425)
1260248	2012-02-21 00:14:00	Sadly, excuses are being made. Accept their is a problem, embrace the need for change, and champion the systems for improvment. People are dieing. get it? Killed,dead.deader. Neither the paper pushers nor the patients are the reason medical staff are killing people.	Metla (12)
1260249	2012-02-21 00:29:00	Sa get it? Killed,dead.deader. N. We are simply showing that it is not all bad. I am told there are doctors out there, that nurses know are dangerous,but nothing is done, they stick together.	Cicero (40)
1260250	2012-02-21 01:30:00	We are simply showing that it is not all bad. I am told there are doctors out there, that nurses know are dangerous,but nothing is done, they stick together.Hell. That is a worry.	Pato (2463)
1260251	2012-02-21 04:20:00	If you know who these dr's and nurses are you should report them or the person that "told you" Contact the HDC. - which was setup after doctors complained about the deaths in Christchurch (which the managers tried to cover up). Like the Dr's that reported Ramstead Its a myth that Dr's stick together. There is a fair bit of back stabbing too.	afe66 (13778)
1260252	2012-02-21 04:42:00	And within all that they have to cope with people who fabricate their problems, or exaggerate their symptoms, or the nut cases who bring other issues to the table, those who are after drugs, or an invalids benefit who are being deceptive, the control freaks, and the (typically middle aged European immigrants) who chose not to believe a word of the professionals diagnosis or advice, those who adjust their prescribed dosages, or simply don't use them, or use them intermittently, and those that self medicate with all manner of hokum that they buy from 'health shops', 'holistic healers', 'herbalists', 'homeopaty', etc... all of which may serve to further confuse the picture. . Yes. Sister in law. A hypochondriac. Had to be taken to hospital by ambulance once, having a heart attack at a party. Hell of a fuss once there - from her. Diagnosis - excessive alcohol. She's got her husband diagnosed with Alzheimers now. Why? He tells a few crude jokes in public these days. Alzheimers? Well, several doctors have said no, but she moves on to the next.	pctek (84)
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