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Thread ID: 123403	2012-02-22 18:52:00	Sick Leave, Weekends, Medical Certificates	Midavalo (7253)	PC World Chat

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1260744	2012-02-22 22:02:00	No I don't work Sat/Sun. I also think I only had two days off, but work says its technically 4 consecutive days, and therefore they can request a doctors certificate. I'm trying to find whether they're correct or not. And prove it. Cheers M. That's fair enough in my book. If you're having to take time off on Friday and Monday, then it really is safe to assume the illness includes the weekend. But too many employees use that as a way of having four days off in a row. But then I personally wouldn't know. I've been self employed for most of the last 30 years, and when you have any indisposition, if you can live with it, you just shrug your shoulders, say what the heck. And keep on working through. The self employed just can't afford to take the time off. And a lot of employers (save the major corporates or government sector) just can't afford to pay for employee time off, either. If the illness is selective, then it's as close to being theft as pocketing petty cash, stealing stationery, and overstating time spent.. :2cents:	WalOne (4202)
1260745	2012-02-22 22:10:00	Interesting discussion. Like yourself, I think it is only 2 days off. Your weekend is your time, it is of no concern to your work and your work are not paying you for the weekend. If your work is claiming it is 4 days sick, are they paying you 4 days sick leave? If not, it is of no concern to them what you do or what happens in the weekend is it? Reality is (even if you were sick) on Thurs & Fri, you may be fine Sat onwards, why are they claiming 4 days suggesting you were sick Sat & Sun when they dont know. Anyway, my thoughts are that its 2 days like WT. They arent paying you for the weekend, your weekend is your time. I will be interested in hearing the outcome. Good luck.	Iantech (16386)
1260746	2012-02-22 23:29:00	But what if I take sick leave on Thursday and Friday (then the weekend) and am back at work on Monday? The law doesn't seem to be clear on that, and neither are the guidelines from the Department of Labour: I'm not interrupting the sick leave with the scheduled break, it just happens to follow the sick leave . My employer obviously sees this differently . But I can't find anything that specifically spells out this situation one way or the other . . It's perfectly clear: The three calendar days are not interrupted by a scheduled break . Therefore, an employee taking a day's sick leave on a Friday, then a two-day scheduled weekend break, can be asked to provide proof of the illness or injury if they take another day's sick leave on the Monday, even if that day is only the second day of sick leave . So, regardless of weekends after your sick days, public holidays after your sick days - whatever - they can ask for the certificate . Think of it like this - away from work for 3 days in total - sick, holiday, weekend, whatever those 3 days consist of - you have to provide the certificate . Can't be any clearer than that .	pctek (84)
1260747	2012-02-22 23:57:00	It's perfectly clear: The three calendar days are not interrupted by a scheduled break . Therefore, an employee taking a day's sick leave on a Friday, then a two-day scheduled weekend break, can be asked to provide proof of the illness or injury if they take another day's sick leave on the Monday, even if that day is only the second day of sick leave . So, regardless of weekends after your sick days, public holidays after your sick days - whatever - they can ask for the certificate . Think of it like this - away from work for 3 days in total - sick, holiday, weekend, whatever those 3 days consist of - you have to provide the certificate . Can't be any clearer than that . Absolutely, pctek! :thumbs: One of the reasons for this legislation is unfortunately the majority ignored some of their moral and ethical obligations, just going ahead and "pulling sickies" as and when they felt like it . At great cost to their employer and the nation .	WalOne (4202)
1260748	2012-02-23 00:13:00	It's perfectly clear: The three calendar days are not interrupted by a scheduled break. Therefore, an employee taking a day's sick leave on a Friday, then a two-day scheduled weekend break, can be asked to provide proof of the illness or injury if they take another day's sick leave on the Monday, even if that day is only the second day of sick leave. So, regardless of weekends after your sick days, public holidays after your sick days - whatever - they can ask for the certificate. Think of it like this - away from work for 3 days in total - sick, holiday, weekend, whatever those 3 days consist of - you have to provide the certificate. Can't be any clearer than that.The examples given always talk about another sick day taken AFTER the scheduled break. Friday sick, then Sat/Sun scheduled break, then Monday sick = effectively 4 days sick, so can ask for certificate (I have no problem with that). But if I take Thursday Friday sick then have my scheduled break this break isn't in between sick days, therefore I am asking for two calendar days off as sick days.	Midavalo (7253)
1260749	2012-02-23 00:15:00	The Act says: 68 Proof of sickness or injury (1) An employer may require an employee to produce proof of sickness or injury for sick leave taken under section 65 if the sickness or injury that gave rise to the leave is for a period of 3 or more consecutive calendar days, whether or not the days would otherwise be working days for the employeeTo me the sickness/injury that gave rise to the leave was not for a period of 3 or more consecutive calendar days. I just happened to have a weekend occur after my sick leave.	Midavalo (7253)
1260750	2012-02-23 00:17:00	Midavalo you are correct. This is counted as 2 days and if your employer wants a Medical certificate they can request one at their cost.	DeSade (984)
1260751	2012-02-23 00:52:00	It's perfectly clear: The three calendar days are not interrupted by a scheduled break . Therefore, an employee taking a day's sick leave on a Friday, then a two-day scheduled weekend break, can be asked to provide proof of the illness or injury if they take another day's sick leave on the Monday, even if that day is only the second day of sick leave . So, regardless of weekends after your sick days, public holidays after your sick days - whatever - they can ask for the certificate . Think of it like this - away from work for 3 days in total - sick, holiday, weekend, whatever those 3 days consist of - you have to provide the certificate . Can't be any clearer than that . The three calendar days are not interrupted by a scheduled break . Therefore, an employee taking a day's sick leave on a Friday, then a two-day scheduled weekend break . . . Hold on right there, didnt you just say if the three calendar days are not interupted by a sheduled break and in the same line state a sheduled weekend break? If the weekend is a sheduled break, then isnt it interupting the three calendar days? You have me confused . away from work for 3 days in total - sick, holiday, weekend, whatever those 3 days consist of - you have to provide the certificate . Must have been lots of certificates made out the other week for the long weekend then .	Iantech (16386)
1260752	2012-02-23 03:16:00	Well, CAB say that my employer has it right... if so then the Dept of Labour guidelines are not clear. It still doesn't make sense to me.	Midavalo (7253)
1260753	2012-02-23 03:19:00	I don't think CAB is correct. Recommend you call the Department of Labour get them to explain their site. www.dol.govt.nz	DeSade (984)
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