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Thread ID: 123329	2012-02-18 07:20:00	Paul Holmes Article	Happy Harry (321)	PC World Chat

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1259749	2012-02-18 07:20:00	Has anyone read the Paul Holmes Article below It did not, as far as I am aware, appear in any South Island papers and either the press/TV have decided to ignore it, or I have missed the furore. Whilst a little generalistic, and failing to point out the good things that many Maori have achieved, the article identifies what a lot of Kiwis are now thinking. I for one, wish that we could all be one nation, and for the life of me, cannot understand how anyone under the age of seventy, can feel that they have been marginalised by events of 150 years ago. I am also unaware of anyone alive today, who has benefited from what may have been dodgy land sales. I have read both versions of the treaty of Waitangi and am unable to find any reference to most of the claims that are attributed to the treaty. As stated before, I wish we could get past all the divisive nonsense that a few are creating, and get on as a unified nation. Cheers HH By Paul Holmes 5:30 AM Saturday Feb 11, 2012 It's time to cancel our repugnant national holiday Waitangi Day produced its usual hatred, rudeness, and violence against a clearly elected Prime Minister from a group of hateful, hate-fuelled weirdos who seem to exist in a perfect world of benefit provision. This enables them to blissfully continue to believe that New Zealand is the centre of the world, no one has to have a job and the Treaty is all that matters. I'm over Waitangi Day. It is repugnant. It's a ghastly affair. As I lie in bed on Waitangi morning, I know that later that evening, the news will show us irrational Maori ghastliness with spitting, smugness, self-righteousness and the usual neurotic Maori politics, in which some bizarre new wrong we've never thought about will be lying on the table. This, we will have to address and somehow apply these never-defined principles of the Treaty of Waitangi because it is, apparently, the next big resentment. There'll be lengthy discussion, we'll end up paying the usual millions into the hands of the Maori aristocracy and God knows where it'll go from there. Well, it's a bullshit day, Waitangi. It's a day of lies. It is loony Maori fringe self-denial day. It's a day when everything is addressed, except the real stuff. Never mind the child stats, never mind the national truancy stats, never mind the hopeless failure of Maori to educate their children and stop them bashing their babies. No, it's all the Pakeha's fault. It's all about hating whitey.. Believe me, that's what it looked like the other day. John Key speaks bravely about going there again. He should not go there again. It's over. Forget it. It is too awful and nasty and common. It is no more New Zealand day than Halloween. Our national day is now Anzac Day. Anzac Day is a day of honour, and struggle, bravery and sacrifice. A day on which we celebrate the periods when our country embraced great efforts for international freedom and on which we weep for those who served and for those who died. I wouldn't take my three great uncles who died at Gallipoli and in France - Reuben, Mathew and Leonard - to Waitangi Day and expect them to believe this was our national day. I wouldn't take my father, veteran of El Alamein and Cassino, there. Nor would I take my Uncle Ken who died in a Wellington bomber, then try and tell him Waitangi Day was anything but filth. No, if Maori want Waitangi Day for themselves, let them have it. Let them go and raid a bit more kai moana than they need for the big, and feed themselves silly, speak of the injustices heaped upon them by the greedy Pakeha and work out new ways of bamboozling the Pakeha to come up with a few more millions. When you start doing talkback or any kind of opinion broadcasting in New Zealand you learn that certain groups are loony, highly vocal, highly organised and they never rest.	Happy Harry (321)
1259750	2012-02-18 07:52:00	He is just saying what most of us Europeans think but too scared to say.	prefect (6291)
1259751	2012-02-18 09:38:00	I gotta admit, that man certainly writes so damn good articles, like the one he wrote about Christchurch earthquakes, and there was another one too but I can't remember. Hear hear, ANZAC day should be our "national" day! Here's the full article for those interested: www.nzherald.co.nz	Chilling_Silence (9)
1259752	2012-02-18 18:28:00	How the truth hurts! :lol: HERE (www.stuff.co.nz)	B.M. (505)
1259753	2012-02-18 19:03:00	How the truth hurts! :( Fixed! :)	WalOne (4202)
1259754	2012-02-18 19:28:00	Actually there was an Aussie by the name of Banjo Patterson who came to NZ over 100 years ago and wrote a little poem about the Maori and a little Wool incident. It seems not a lot has changed in 100 years other than the wool. :lol: Here it is enjoy. THE MAORI’S WOOL THE Maoris are a mighty race—the finest ever known; Before the missionaries came they worshipped wood and stone; They went to war and fought like fiends, and when the war was done They pacified their conquered foes by eating every one. But now-a-days about the pahs in idleness they lurk, Prepared to smoke or drink or talk— or anything but work. The richest tribe in all the North in sheep and horse and cow, Were those who led their simple lives at Rooti-iti-au. ‘Twas down to town at Wellington a noble Maori came, A Rangatira of the best, Rerenga was his name— (The word Rerenga means a “snag”—but until he was gone This didn’t strike the folk he met—it struck them later on). He stalked into the Bank they call the “Great Financial Hell”, And told the Chief Financial Fiend the tribe had wool to sell. The Bold Bank Manager looked grave—the price of wool was high. He said, “We’ll lend you what you need—we’re not disposed to buy. “You ship the wool to England, Chief!—You’ll find it’s good advice, And meanwhile you can draw from us the local market price.” The Chief he thanked him courteously and said he wished to state In all the Rooti-iti tribe his mana would be great, But still the tribe were simple folk, and did not understand This strange finance that gave them cash without the wool in hand. So off he started home again, with trouble on his brow, To lay the case before the tribe at Rooti-iti-au. They held a great korero in the Rooti-iti clan, With speeches lasting half a day from every leading man. They called themselves poetic names—”lost children in a wood”; They said the Great Bank Manager was Kapai—extra good! And so they sent Rerenga down, full-powered and well-equipped, To draw as much as he could get, and let the wool be shipped; And wedged into a “Cargo Tank”, full up from stern to bow, A mighty clip of wool went Home from Rooti-iti-au. It was the Bold Bank Manager who drew a heavy cheque; Rerenga cashed it thoughtfully, then clasped him round the neck; A hug from him was not at all a thing you’d call a lark— You see he lived on mutton-birds and dried remains of shark— But still it showed his gratitude; and, as he pouched the pelf, “I’ll haka for you, sir,” he said, “in honour of yourself!” The haka is a striking dance—the sort they don’t allow In any place more civilized than Rooti-iti-au. He “haka’d” most effectively—then, with an airy grace, Rubbed noses with the Manager, and vanished into space. But when the wool return came back, ah me, what sighs and groans! For every bale of Maori wool was loaded up with stones! Yes—thumping great New Zealand rocks among the wool they found; On every rock the Bank had lent just eighteen-pence a pound. And now the Bold Bank Manager, with trouble on his brow, Is searching vainly for the chief from Rooti-iti-au. :lol:	B.M. (505)
1259755	2012-02-18 19:30:00	From the Stuff article: He said Holmes was reinforcing prejudice. "He generalises all Maori as child bashers. There is a serious problem when between 2002 and 2006, 28 Maori kids were killed. We know their names. But who remembers the names of the 48 Pakeha children who suffered a similar fate?" But hang on, aren't maori about 10% of the population?? Even if they we 20% and 'pakeha' the other 80%, there is a huge difference between 28 and 48. By population, if 'pakeha' had killed the same number of their offspring (using the 20% assumption), the 'pakeha' toll would be 112!!! (And over 250 if we use the 10% assumption)	johcar (6283)
1259756	2012-02-18 19:32:00	I gotta admit, that man certainly writes so damn good articles, like the one he wrote about Christchurch earthquakes, and there was another one too but I can't remember. Hear hear, ANZAC day should be our "national" day! Here's the full article for those interested: www.nzherald.co.nz I think that says it as I see it, Brash said it too, and was he attacked! Do we have the Christchurch letter?	Cicero (40)
1259757	2012-02-18 19:38:00	For just as long as John Key and his cronies need the Maori vote in Parliament to maintain their majority, do you honestly see them changing the current Waitangi Day status?	Zippity (58)
1259758	2012-02-18 19:47:00	But hang on, aren't maori about 10% of the population?? Even if they we 20% and 'pakeha' the other 80%, there is a huge difference between 28 and 48 . By population, if 'pakeha' had killed the same number of their offspring (using the 20% assumption), the 'pakeha' toll would be 112!!! (And over 250 if we use the 10% assumption) Exactly . Maori make up 14 . 6% of the population . On your figures, the pakeha toll would be around 140! There is no escaping the conclusion that Maori are disproportionately represented . The outcome is that he may be fueling prejudice, but Paul Holmes is calling it as it is .	WalOne (4202)
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