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25427	2001-11-24 09:05:00	I have been meaning to make this post for a while now. What I want to know is, why do a lot of people using this site, seem to have a bit of a snithcher towards Microsoft, and some of the comments quite petty. I have found them exemplary to deal with. Maybe Its because they are a highly successful outfit, and there is a little jealousy going on. I will look forward to some constructive arguments!	Guest (0)
25428	2001-11-24 09:28:00	Ringo, Sometimes you get some comments, but I am not sure you should be surprised. Explain to me why I should be happy about someone's copyright concerns being able to interfere with my ability to install a program I legally own, and I may start to agree with you. Nobody's perfect. Robo.	Guest (0)
25429	2001-11-24 10:20:00	Hi Ringo, I agree and if you follow this link you will see we did this one a couple of weeks ago. www.pcworld.co.nz BC	Guest (0)
25430	2001-11-24 10:31:00	Fair enough Rob, but then again just because I own a copy of Neil Finns latest album, dosen't give me the right to copy it willy nilly, and sell off at a few bucks a copy. I think Microsoft has got a perfect right to protect its copywrite, and that is all they are trying to do. If I started printing copies of PCWorld for $2 a copy, IDG would go apeshit. What irks me, is the infantile way people put them down . I have seen someone refer to them as M$.... all power to them if they can make trillions. Isn't that what it is all about?	Guest (0)
25431	2001-11-24 11:51:00	Well what would you charge? U Think XP Pro is a bad price. Take a look at a program called 3D Studio Max 4. Value - around $8000	Guest (0)
25432	2001-11-24 12:05:00	Thanks BC..... just read the postings. Most interesting. I would never have gotten into computers if it had of been like the old days..... Microsoft have made things very simple, and if it wasn't for them, I doubt whether there would be the high percentage of homes with computers in them!	Guest (0)
25433	2001-11-24 14:23:00	I'll have a go at this. Exemplary service my ass! EVERY time I have a problem bad enough to contact MS I get 'We have a pay service to deal with that type of problem'. Monopolistic fascism is what I call it. Sure we would not be where we are without MS but really where are we? The dos based Win OS's are notorious throughout the world for their weird instability and pitiful security. 2000 is a lovely piece of work now dumped for the next generation of OS which will attempt to take over not only your desktop but your entire online life. .NET is nothing more than a plan to make us pay MS monthly fees eventually for everything we use on our PC. They (MS) have now proved to the whole world just how powerful they are (They and not any terrorist have succeeded in bringing the justice system to its knees in the US) and that makes their new drive to build HUGE databases beyond an individuals control (based on registration/passport/hotmail/messenger and whos knows what else collected by IE) a very dangerous thing. MS have been proved in the US courts to be untrustworthy and I think this is the key to some of us showing our disdain in public given the chance. I do not dislike their products (thats not to say I respect them all though) but I certainly dislike their monopolistic and increasingly political interference in the market they compete in.	Guest (0)
25434	2001-11-24 21:01:00	John, you are a god... I can fully endorse what john says, I have similar experiences trying to get microsoft to fix things that don't work, and have to pay between $25-40 US DOLLARS PER HOUR!!! That really taught me to fix it myself... Further more, anything that crashes more than once an hour is completely unsatisfactory. Thus I am learning linux (very slowly). But look at linux, everything you can do in XP you can do in linux, and for 90% of those things, you have been able to do them for at least two years... then, compare the price difference.. Windows XP Pro $800 - Last time I looked Mandrake Linux 8.0 $18 - What I payed to buy it about a month ago. That makes XP 44 times more expensive. Do you get 44 times as much stuff? No. do you get 44 times as much quality? No. Do you get 44 times as much stability? No. do you get 44 times as much of anything you would expect to find in an operating system? No. Then you have to pay a lot more than 44X as much to get tech support... Linux has online help everywhere...	Guest (0)
25435	2001-11-25 04:48:00	HELLO PEOPLE!!!!! If Microsoft software is too expensive then exercise your right not to buy it. As someone has pointed out $8000 for a 3d rendering package is considered acceptable, therefore how can people complain about a whole OS for $800? Computer users seem to have no problem blowing $2500 on hardware, but then spew at the cost of $800 for the glue that binds the PC together. Has anyone else observed the volumes of corespondence regarding Erin Salmon's efforts to get a single piece of software to install under Linux? What is Erin's time worth? Obviously not a lot if she still thinks Linux is cheap/free.	Guest (0)
25436	2001-11-25 06:59:00	Erin's correspondence is more of an indication of HIS efforts not to waste $800 on something useless... By the way, a 3d rendering package is capable of a ****-load more things that windows XP. XP is just an operating system, a graphics rendering package for $8000 would be a quality piece of software, bug free, and no doubt open source. Thats the other thing I dislike about microsoft; closed source code. For starters it slows down the production of software immensely... here's an example: Back in 1994 when the ping command was first exploited by sending enourmous data packets repeatedly to crash the computer being pinged, linux distro's were able to have a patch ready in less then 2 hours. All it was was a matter of adding in a few lines of code to the original ping controlling software, then putting it into an rpm for downloading. Microsoft on the other hand don't have immediate access to their own code, and putting an extra bit of code into an operating system is impossible because that would mean opening up the entire operating system.... It took Microsoft over three months to make a fix available.... Are you saying that you are willing to put $800 towards billy's 400 pound granite shower curtain and a piece of software that potentially opens your data to anyone who feels like reading it?	Guest (0)
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