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Thread ID: 125445	2012-06-28 22:51:00	I'm so pleased with Office 2010	Digby (677)	Press F1

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1284607	2012-06-30 14:35:00	MS Office does not properly handle the Open Document standard so I wouldn't rely on it . That also works the other way , or more to the point doesn't work . Seen it many times Open office or Libre makes a complete shambles of MS documents . I have several here, nothing fancy, just some simple text boxes in a word Document along with plain text, and open office cant even get close displaying them correctly . Let's get a little dose of reality here . I do like it when people make random claims of formatting infidelity with regard to OOo and MS docs . Yes, OOo will have issues with about 5% of documents produced in MSO . Most of those with difficult formatting tools such as text boxes and tables because MS uses odd ways of creating these . Of course usually these elements are only used when trying to use word as a Desktop Publishing programme so it's not surprising that a word processor would have issues . However MSO is a thousand times less capable at handling ODF . The ironic thing about this is that even though ODF is an Open Standard, published for all to use without encumbrence, MS developers seem incapable of getting it right in MSO . By contrast OOo developers without the benefit of any disclosure of their file formats by MS, managed to back engineer it so that OOo is better than 95% fidelity in a non native secret proprietary format . A format that MS could just dump tomorrow . Office 2003XML anyone . Office Open XML? Still not compatible with it's published specification . The point is that the above statement "--- or more to the point doesn't work . " is nonsense . You have a far greater chance to get something readable from OOo with MS formats than you are from MSO with ODF . That is not opinion, that is fact . Perfect no, never said it was . MSO however is extremely bad at handling non-MS file formats, that has been a deliberate policy on the part of MS, just read Brian Jones blog back about '07 . LibreO's fidelity is pretty good mainly because of it's association with Novell and the deals struck with MS over improving interoperability, however if you try OOo's other stablemate: IBM Lotus Symphony, you'll find the fidelity even better, IBM have made interoperability a real focus . Personally I like the interface, I think it's the best of the OOo variants .	Yorick (8120)
1284608	2012-07-01 04:05:00	Well who's in love with Open office Most of those with difficult formatting tools such as text boxes and tables because MS uses odd ways of creating these. Of course usually these elements are only used when trying to use word as a Desktop Publishing programme so it's not surprising that a word processor would have issues. Just shot ya self in the foot there, Write in Open office can add text boxes/ tables , oh right thats different isn't it, because of the way it does it. Also seen simple text documents written that don't load correctly in OOo. The point is that the above statement "--- or more to the point doesn't work." is nonsense Bollocks -- why then does Kingsoft Office open the same document OOo cant and kingsoft displays perfectly. The best solution is to have both programs then everything is covered.	wainuitech (129)
1284609	2012-07-01 05:23:00	Well who's in love with Open office Of course he is and he does actually know a little of what he is talking about as he is an OO developer and I agree with him that a lot of people use a word processor when they should be using a desktop publishing program. Tried to convince my sister of that just recently as she was doing a project for the family I would have happily taken over. As for Kingsoft, I don't know but they may have some sort of an agreement with MS which would give them the inside track. They also just do a Windows version which makes things less complicated. Actually considering that they skite that they have been a market leader since the late eighties I find it amazing that I have barely heard of them. 1998 Lenovo Group Limited bought 30% of stock in them.	mikebartnz (21)
1284610	2012-07-01 05:54:00	Yuk. I'll stick with Libre. x2	Agent_24 (57)
1284611	2012-07-01 06:46:00	As for Kingsoft, I don't know but they may have some sort of an agreement with MS which would give them the inside track . They also just do a Windows version which makes things less complicated One thats been around for a long time is ability office, Have not tried the latest versions, but their office 2003suite was for all purposes identical in looks and workings as MS office, the only difference outwardly was a few icons may have looked different . Of course companies are going to aim more at windows, its where they make money . no real brainer . If they can sell a product instead of giving it away its going to make money . Sure Yorick pushes OOo, as a developer he would - but until OOo comes the major leading office suite world wide instead of MS office its always going to be behind . If it did exactly the same things and worked as well as MS office then maybe people would change to it . Forget all the reasons like "its the way MS does things" thats not an excuse - end users dont care how companies do things to make certain programs do what they want, all they want is it to work - MS office does that mostly one way or another . As I said nothing wrong with OOo, just its not there yet to end users needs, just like Linux - its free, works OK, but not exactly the worlds most used OS . Personally I use both MS office and Libre, both have good and bad points . Online work like google doc's , office 360 etc are the way things are going . OOo has to keep up with that as well .	wainuitech (129)
1284612	2012-07-01 07:24:00	Well who's in love with Open office Why thank you happy to admit that, I have been using it since 1999 . Just shot ya self in the foot there, Write in Open office can add text boxes/ tables , oh right thats different isn't it, because of the way it does it . Heh, no not really, I never said Writer (put the R on the end it's more accurate . :) ) couldn't do text boxes, in fact the text boxes in Writer or in Draw are extremely powerful you can do shapes, wrap text in odd shapes and all sorts . You're right the code is different . In fact every piece of software that has text boxes do it differently . Just some tell the world how they do it and some hide it like their lives depended on it . Also seen simple text documents written that don't load correctly in OOo . I've also seen a ginger cat with three legs which doesn't mean to say that one should avoid all Ginger cats if you want a four legged cat . It's not really an argument, our Issuezilla archives are full of similar stories, many can't be duplicated, many are down to fonts, the small number that are in fact bugs, are tackled as quickly as we can . Bollocks -- why then does Kingsoft Office open the same document OOo cant and kingsoft displays perfectly . Don't know, without the appropriate information and copies of the offending documents, I can't tell you, not that I've used, or frankly even heard of Kingsoft till now, puts me at a bit of a disadvantage and I note they don't do a Linux version so it's a bit difficult to try it . I'll set up a Win2K instance in a VM and try it out . The point is that in the vast majority of cases it does work, so the bald statement that "it doesn't work!" is demonstrably incorrect The best solution is to have both programs then everything is covered . That is certainly one solution, the best solution across the board is for all to use an ISO standard file format . Countries around the world are now specifying documents should only be produced in an ISO standard format because they are concerned about archival integrity . The Australia National Archives uses OOo for this very reason . Every document is saved as ODF and PDF/A plus original, this because ODF is the only ISO standard editable file format in use today (and MSO2010 does not support iso29500 . com/office-2010-breaks-iso-iec-standard" target="_blank">redmondmag . com ( . com/articles/2010/04/07/office-2010-breaks-iso-iec-standard . aspx" target="_blank">redmondmag . com) ) and so to ensure that the digital files of the archives will be available far into the next century, ODF is the only real choice and OOo is the definitive implementation . Sure, it would be nice to have perfect compatibility, but that isn't going to happen soon or at least not until MS becomes competely open with it's file formats .	Yorick (8120)
1284613	2012-07-01 08:05:00	Once again another thread has turned to this program is better that another, mainly in this case Open office. The original post was the fact that Digby likes MS office, and what happens all the OOo crowd try to basically run it down and say OOo is better, and basically run advertisements for OOo. Cant give the Op a general thats good you like it or anything, must try to push another product.	wainuitech (129)
1284614	2012-07-01 08:12:00	:groan: This IS a discussion forum yes? The subject of Office apps is being discussed. I'm sure there is a mutual admiration society for MS fanboy's and pushers somewhere, maybe that would suit you better?	fred_fish (15241)
1284615	2012-07-01 08:23:00	I haven't tried much alternatives . But I have a "cover page" file that was created by my course provider, I printed one copy using MS Office and it came fine . I then used Open Office to printed the same file . It looks different . The font was diff and the shaded was missing . Also the area where it ask for your name, your ID number etc . . . It actually dropped it down a line . Like it ask for your ID number but the line to write it was now a line underneath . Used two PCs b/c my PC is x64, printer doesn't support . So to use MS Office I need my laptop to print to a XP machine downstairs . The 2nd time I used OO b/c I thought I could just use the XP computer which doesn't have MS Office installed . Well I guess I could install Office 2k on it . . . . . . . . In terms of the written report, it was fine looking but the font was just different . I used Arial font, looked a bit weird that I reprinted it using MS Office or at least saved it as a PDF so I could print it on the XP machine directly .	Nomad (952)
1284616	2012-07-01 08:31:00	Once again another thread has turned to this program is better that another, mainly in this case Open office. Cant give the Op a general thats good you like it or anything, must try to push another product. Always happens doesn't it :D	Nick G (16709)
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