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Thread ID: 123451	2012-02-25 22:23:00	So its confirmed!	B.M. (505)	PC World Chat

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1261499	2012-02-27 02:05:00	It is very easy to sit at home and have opinions. most of the people here will have little or no experience in coal mining or rescue or police work. yet everyone thinks they could have done better. so before you post about how you think it should have been done, please list your experience or qualifications in coal mine rescue.	robsonde (120)
1261500	2012-02-27 02:49:00	It is very easy to sit at home and have opinions. most of the people here will have little or no experience in coal mining or rescue or police work. yet everyone thinks they could have done better. so before you post about how you think it should have been done, please list your experience or qualifications in coal mine rescue. Well that’s exactly it. In this case we had trained personnel (Mines Rescue Team) prevented from doing their job by untrained personnel (Policeman). Effectively, by denying the Mines Rescue Team the opportunity to try and rescue any survivors he sentenced the poor buggers to death. I still say it should have been the trained "Mine Rescue Team’s" call as to the risk of going in.	B.M. (505)
1261501	2012-02-27 02:52:00	NOTHING HAS BEEN CONFIRMED!!!!!! Jeeez................	Zippity (58)
1261502	2012-02-27 03:22:00	Well that’s exactly it. In this case we had trained personnel (Mines Rescue Team) prevented from doing their job by untrained personnel (Policeman). Effectively, by denying the Mines Rescue Team the opportunity to try and rescue any survivors he sentenced the poor buggers to death. I still say it should have been the trained "Mine Rescue Team’s" call as to the risk of going in. Refer to the first page of this thread...	icow (15313)
1261503	2012-02-27 03:26:00	This is why the rescuers werent allowed in The numbers speak for themselves www.usmra.com Just because you are willing to take the risk , doesnt mean it should be allowed. The same should be said about sending men in to recover bodies .	1101 (13337)
1261504	2012-02-27 03:50:00	Quote Originally Posted by B.M. View Post In this case we had trained personnel (Mines Rescue Team) prevented from doing their job by untrained personnel (Policeman). As untrained personal the (Policeman) would have consulted those in the know, one would ahve thought. Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1261505	2012-02-27 04:01:00	Those in the know may not have made a rational decision. Their choice to want to go in was possibly based more on emotion . The 2nd explosion shows there was allways considerable danger Look at the stats for dead rescue workers.	1101 (13337)
1261506	2012-02-27 04:30:00	Those in the know may not have made a rational decision. Their choice to want to go in was possibly based more on emotion . The 2nd explosion shows there was allways considerable danger Look at the stats for dead rescue workers. All very true. The people yelling they should have gone in would now be screaming they shouldn't and were sent to their deaths, thats if the rescue workers were allowed in and they all got killed as well. BM mentioned the rescue kits were opened -- OK so that says someone possibly was alive after the first explosion -- Heres a question for all the arm chair experts, ----- why didn't they dig their own way out or at least make contact with the people outside before the second explosion ?? After all they were miners with all the equipment , and one would hope they knew the layout of the tunnels and possible "safe locations". Its amazing how many "experts" are about after a tragic event.	wainuitech (129)
1261507	2012-02-27 05:17:00	Properly equipped people with the necessary skills can do things in perfect safety that would leave ordinary people waiting to be identified. To satisfy all those experts saying "No", hi-vis jackets, foil hats shaped like the Pope's, incense, holy water and prayer wheels should be issued to all volunteers while the experts could use umbrellas to cover their asses. (Their hysterically overwhelming imperative is CYA, stronger even than greed.) Should be alright as long as a manual is whipped up with sufficient flowery phrases to sooth the evil spirits. In the meantime, every mine passage should have a [ctrl]+[alt]+[delete] panel every 5 metres. Just a simple 3 fingered gesture would have everybody back up top ready to clock in, and the coal back on the floor. If those buttons can make Windows work, an explosion should be just a trifle.	R2x1 (4628)
1261508	2012-02-27 05:50:00	This is why the rescuers werent allowed in The numbers speak for themselves . usmra . com/rescuer_deaths . htm" target="_blank">www . usmra . com Just because you are willing to take the risk , doesnt mean it should be allowed . The same should be said about sending men in to recover bodies . What an interesting Site . However, going back to 1869 is hardly relevant and including China screws things further when appraising the statistics . But I don’t think anyone is suggesting Mine Rescue is safe, certainly not me, although I note England haven’t lost anyone since 1934, according to that site . All that aside, I believe one has to trust the Rescue Teams judgement regardless of whether it’s a Mountain or a Mine . If we’re not going to trust their judgement then we might as well stop training them and save the money . Our Surf Lifesavers are another example of guys taking extreme risk at times and usually only to rescue fools . So, who’s going to defend a Policeman that forbids a Lifesaver entering the water because he, the Policeman, feels it’s too dangerous? I can just see it . You stay right there and don’t go near the water whilst I consult with the Met Service and see if this swell will recede in the next couple of days . Meanwhile someone drowns . :(	B.M. (505)
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