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Thread ID: 123424	2012-02-23 17:49:00	What Do You Aucklanders Think Of The 3 Week Port Strike And Who's Side Are You On.	Trev (427)	PC World Chat

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1261011	2012-02-24 22:09:00	Yes, it all comes down to shareholders returns these days doesn't it. Come on pctech if you put a $1000 dollars in the bank you expect a certain return on that money otherwise you will look elsewhere.	mikebartnz (21)
1261012	2012-02-24 22:33:00	But having been involved myself in industrial action before, I can it is something that is NOT taken lightly and is used only when all other avenues have failed. I am going to call BS on that. I have seen it too often where the unions have not been working in the workers interests. There was a case in Auckland where the workers of this factory wanted to swap the Friday night shift for Sunday so they could have a bit of fun but the union came along and told management that they had to pay them Sunday rates. Well the workers had to go back to the Friday night shift even though they were happy with the previous arrangement. The freezing works industry used to be plagued by strikes until the workers started to run out of money and the strikes only lasted as long as they did because the workers were paid so well. As well as that the strikes always happened at the most damaging time for the industry just when the lamb kill for the UK Christmas market was starting. There is a guy that I knew with a factory where the union guy came in and told him he either had to build a new smoko room or get rid of some workers. The workers were happy with the arrangement they had so the next time the union guy came in he gathered the workers together and asked the guy which workers he had to sack. He took off and nothing was ever done about it.	mikebartnz (21)
1261013	2012-02-24 22:43:00	I see a report in the last day or so that the workers are given the chance of secret ballots by the union, if this is correct then that needs to change to get the full feelings of the majority of workers.:confused::confused::confused:	Arnie (6624)
1261014	2012-02-24 22:47:00	As far as the minimum 8hrs bit goes, I sure no one here would want to go to work every day wondering if they would be lucky and get a full days work that day cause they have bills to pay next week. I worked for a seasonal outfit years ago where I was paid standard rates to 44hrs, time and a half to 50hrs then double time after that. I thought that was very fair and during the peak of the season I could be in double time after three days. They get paid a premium so why should they get paid for eight hours when they only do four. Maybe they need a bit of budgeting advice.	mikebartnz (21)
1261015	2012-02-24 22:48:00	I see a report in the last day or so that the workers are given the chance of secret ballots by the union, if this is correct then that needs to change to get the full feelings of the majority of workers.:confused::confused::confused: Your thinking there is certainly confused.	mikebartnz (21)
1261016	2012-02-24 22:54:00	In your first case of the Auckland workers - From that limited information it sounds like workers need to speak to their delegate and let him know what THEY want and renegotiate their agreement. Because the union IS the workers. Second case - Of course industrial action will be called with disruption to the company for maximum effect in mind. Last case - sounds like a terrible delegate. Some people seems to think of "Union" as a sort of national communist party with shifty links. But in 99% of the cases, the "union" is just a fellow shop floor worker elected by his own peers to speak and negotiate on their behalf. A bit like politics really - "In a democracy you get the government you deserve and you deserve the government you get"	Nyuuji (5460)
1261017	2012-02-24 23:01:00	I worked for a seasonal outfit years ago where I was paid standard rates to 44hrs, time and a half to 50hrs then double time after that. I thought that was very fair and during the peak of the season I could be in double time after three days. They get paid a premium so why should they get paid for eight hours when they only do four. Maybe they need a bit of budgeting advice. Seasonal work (fixed term) is not the same as permanent employment. You go into fixed term work knowing the conditions/terms and it's usually just a few months. Apples and pears.	Nyuuji (5460)
1261018	2012-02-24 23:06:00	Arnie - The reason a "secret ballot" is sometimes used is that if just a show of hands is used, some workers may feel intimidated if their workmates all vote one way and they want to vote another. A secret ballot lets everyone vote they way they really want without fear or reprisal. Much like our political voting system.	Nyuuji (5460)
1261019	2012-02-24 23:30:00	Arnie - The reason a "secret ballot" is sometimes used is that if just a show of hands is used, some workers may feel intimidated if their workmates all vote one way and they want to vote another. A secret ballot lets everyone vote they way they really want without fear or reprisal. Much like our political voting system. I wondered why they had secret ballots, thanks Ny.	Cicero (40)
1261020	2012-02-24 23:39:00	In your first case of the Auckland workers - From that limited information it sounds like workers need to speak to their delegate and let him know what THEY want and renegotiate their agreement. Because the union IS the workers. You are so wrong there because before the delegate did anything he should have spoken the the workers involved. It just shows me he had an agenda and wasn't working in the workers best interests.	mikebartnz (21)
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