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| Thread ID: 123472 | 2012-02-27 03:44:00 | Welfare reform | QW. (15883) | PC World Chat |
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| 1261763 | 2012-02-27 09:01:00 | The fool is you, actually. Have you even BEEN in to see WINZ? They have STACKS of jobs. Yep. And I know several people who work in various of their branches. This is the total jobs they have in the whole of Auckland you are looking at. How many people applying for each one? And actually most are, stop judging the lot by the few. Employers, funnily enough, are a bit picky about who they take on too, even if they have agreed to advertise through WINZ. My son was on the dole once, he got sent to an interview at an electrical place, working with the wires. He has red/green colour blindness - actually he didn't mind the job, it had some warehouse aspects too which is what he does and he didn't mind the wiring if they didn't, but the employer wanted to know why the hell he'd been sent and told him to go. Fortunately he got a job on his own and didn't have to participate in that idiocy for long. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1261764 | 2012-02-27 09:19:00 | Yep winz people are not paid much more than call centre operators... I think winz jobs are better for younger people, the pay may be on the less side they may provide training etc. The people who might not suit are those who have been made redundant with some yrs of experience and have their own set ways. Some of those ads I recalled did have a note that to not send overqualified applicants. |
Nomad (952) | ||
| 1261765 | 2012-02-27 18:15:00 | There is an old saying which goes something like this. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. :) |
Trev (427) | ||
| 1261766 | 2012-02-27 18:51:00 | What a great joke. Once again Key is short sighted. For this to even work, there needs to be Jobs to begin with. So, You give up before you even think about getting started. hence the problem. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1261767 | 2012-02-27 19:28:00 | We all know there's a problem, but I don't have a practical solution and I don't see much offered here either. It's easy to point the finger, it's much harder to seriously come up with a way to fix things. I don't particularly support Key on this, but I'm not sure what he could do exactly. I agree the system is screwed up though. A relative of mine raising her grandchildren by herself had to quit her Job because winz wouldn't provide assistance with daycare so she could keep it. On top of this she couldn't get the dpb because she's not the childrens parent.... So a hard working grandmother doing her best to stay employed is forced onto the dole and then denied the money a solo parent would get, great work winz. Now that the kids are older and at school she is back at work an doing better no thanks to winz. When I got made redundant they were bugger all help as well. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1261768 | 2012-02-27 19:59:00 | plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose | KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1261769 | 2012-02-27 20:27:00 | The problem is the complexity of the problem that simply doesn’t have a “One Size Fits All” answer which is what they are trying to provide. On one hand you have the “Career Bludgers” who usually come from a family of “Career Bludgers”. These sods have no intention of ever working and if they ever get sent to apply for a job they ensure they present themselves as unemployable. At the other end of the scale there are the ones that genuinely do wish to work but Government BS has choked the small employer and they are no longer interested in employing staff. The overheads incurred by all the rules and regulations renders employing staff in small numbers uneconomical. And just to put the Icing on the Cake, we have large Companies, including the Government, retrenching and putting off staff in large numbers. I read somewhere that there are now 60,000 more people on Benefits than there were when National came to power in 2008. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it would have been any better if National hadn’t come to power. So for me the only way out is to start getting rid of all the Government BS Rules and Regulations and get some growth. The Resource Management Act would be a good place to start because that bit of legislations renders just about all development uneconomical. |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1261770 | 2012-02-27 20:40:00 | There is an old saying which goes something like this. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. :) I always thought it went like this You can lead a horse to water but you can't lead a horticulture Ken :banana |
kenj (9738) | ||
| 1261771 | 2012-02-27 21:05:00 | May I suggest that, to create some jobs for those unemployed youth who sit 'round with their hands down their bendons (mainly males aged between 16 & 20) ... Fonterra bring in a backwards compatible milking system ... i.e. milking by hand into a bucket. Lets face it, the youths mentioned above are well qualified to pull things in order to get satisfaction, and what could be more satisfying than filling a bucket up ??? Obviously the Government would have to contribute some assistance for this to become a viable proposition and divert funds from the NZ cycleway project that promised so many new jobs and failed miserably. Just as an afterthought ... I believe all male MP's, both sitting and retired (to cover their outrageous pension and perks package), should be made to train said youth ... obviously they are the most experienced pullers & tuggers around ... :D |
SP8's (9836) | ||
| 1261772 | 2012-02-27 21:48:00 | Ironic really, that the two politicians jointly announcing the Tory plans are only where they are today thanks to the welfare system they are trying to dismantle. In the case of Key, his mother and family were supported by benefits, and the other one (Bennett) got through her solo parenthood on the DPB. At that time she no doubt received the Training Incentive Allowance to enable her to study and get her degree. The Training Incentive Allowance was removed by either the Tories or the other lot, thus crippling opportunities for other people in the same circumstances as Bennett to get educated and get out of the welfare system (you could validly argue that there is no sign in Bennett's case that her education did her or us any good, but that is another matter entirely). It reminds me of Phil Goff when he was Minister of Education, and the other prats in the Labour Government, who destroyed the system that supported them to get their tertiary education, and introduced massive increases in student fees, and the student loan system. The day he came to the tertiary education institution I was teaching in at the time, was the day I took a mental health day. If I had been there and seen his smug face (i.e. I got MY free tertiary education, now sucks to the rest of you) I thought I may not be able to keep my hands in my pockets. |
John H (8) | ||
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