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| 1287801 | 2012-07-12 01:38:00 | Modern HD's with NTFS dont really need defrags Not true, it's just there's a scheduled task which does it automatically in Windows 7 and I think even Vista. NTFS is just as much of a whore as ever... But yes inphinity is right, SSD's *never* should be defragged. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1287802 | 2012-07-12 02:35:00 | It depends why you want to run a defrag . Its not needed, just run chkdsk's instead . Defrag every 6mnths maybe ?? The performance increase from defrag is probhably often just placebo, unless the HD is quite old/slow - Only saying this as many still feel the need to defrag weekly. But Im willing to test this out, my 2 HD's have NEVER been defragged (but do get chkdsk'ed). I could defrag & see if there is any worthwhile speed difference after - perfectly happy to prove myself wrong. :banana From the horses mouth - interesting read. blogs.msdn.com " Best practices for using defragmentation in Windows 7 are simple – you do not need to do anything! " (as mentioned above, its automated) Actual Testing www.maximumpc.com " With all of the benchmarking completed, we find it rather suspicious that disk defragmentation did nothing to improve the performance of our machine. " " . Even the paid-for programs were unable to yield any positive gains—quite the opposite, in some instances. " |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1287803 | 2012-07-12 02:36:00 | I wouldn't defrag USB flash drives either, for the same reason as not defragging SSD's (limited number of write cycles). | Rod J (451) | ||
| 1287804 | 2012-07-12 02:44:00 | It depends why you want to run a defrag . Its not needed, just run chkdsk's instead . Defrag every 6mnths maybe ?? The performance increase from defrag is probhably often just placebo, unless the HD is quite old/slow - Only saying this as many still feel the need to defrag weekly. But Im willing to test this out, my 2 HD's have NEVER been defragged (but do get chkdsk'ed). I could defrag & see if there is any worthwhile speed difference after - perfectly happy to prove myself wrong. :banana From the horses mouth - interesting read. blogs.msdn.com " Best practices for using defragmentation in Windows 7 are simple – you do not need to do anything! " (as mentioned above, its automated) Actual Testing www.maximumpc.com " With all of the benchmarking completed, we find it rather suspicious that disk defragmentation did nothing to improve the performance of our machine. " " . Even the paid-for programs were unable to yield any positive gains—quite the opposite, in some instances. " That is from over 4 yrs ago...you should see performance degraded on a SATA SAN connected to ESX hosts with thin provisioning!...Benchmarking I/O needs to have queue depth otherwise your not seeing max IOPS!..... |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 1287805 | 2012-07-12 02:48:00 | It depends why you want to run a defrag . Its not needed, just run chkdsk's instead . Defrag every 6mnths maybe ?? The performance increase from defrag is probhably often just placebo, unless the HD is quite old/slow - Only saying this as many still feel the need to defrag weekly. weekly is a complete waste of time, imo, and will achieve nothing. If your drive is getting so fragmented within a week that it is worthwhile running a defragmentation you need to reassess your storage methodology. 6-monthly, even annually, will help to improve access times on a heavily fragmented drive, especially so on older drives, or an older OS (and given the OP mentions it being only 20GB, I'm guessing it's either an old drive/OS, or an SSD, which should NOT be defragged). Have seen plenty of situations, both desktop and enterprise storage, where defragmentation assists. Some of the more advanced file systems it is not an issue, but NTFS it surely is. Windows 7 does do some background defragmentation to help reduce it, but there's a reason they still include the utility (even in Windows 8) ;) |
inphinity (7274) | ||
| 1287806 | 2012-07-12 02:51:00 | " Best practices for using defragmentation in Windows 7 are simple – you do not need to do anything! " (as mentioned above, its automated) Yes, it's automated, but it still *happens*. On top of that, arguably 3rd party ones do a better job too than the built-in windows one. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1287807 | 2012-07-12 04:40:00 | Yes, it's automated, but it still *happens*. On top of that, arguably 3rd party ones do a better job too than the built-in windows one. Would the auto defrag still happen if you had an SSD? Just wondering |
Nick G (16709) | ||
| 1287808 | 2012-07-12 04:42:00 | Would the auto defrag still happen if you had an SSD? Just wondering NO, W7 is programmed NOT to defrag SSDs |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 1287809 | 2012-07-12 05:29:00 | Its not about speed or performance as much (any gain on a modern computer is probably not noticable), its about reliability. Your drive can be more prone to developing bad sectors (resulting in data loss) and data errors if you dont do it. If it is a heavy data usage computer (such as video editing or graphics usage), weekly would probably be better, for the average user, probably monthly is ok. Its called 'preventative maintenance', it is automated in Vista up for a good reason. | Iantech (16386) | ||
| 1287810 | 2012-07-12 08:22:00 | NO, W7 is programmed NOT to defrag SSDs That's good, I was wondering. You never know with windows. |
Nick G (16709) | ||
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