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Thread ID: 123625 2012-03-07 20:24:00 Orcon takes fast broadband offer to consumers Bobh (5192) PC World Chat
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1263644 2012-03-08 03:36:00 I have to wonder if Medical Alarms can be connected to a cellphone rather than a landline. Locating the cellphone may be more difficult unless GPS is involved but at least if you are out and about you will still be covered.

This (www.nhc.health.govt.nz)mentions the use of cellphone or texting.
Bobh (5192)
1263645 2012-03-08 04:09:00 I don't think any service that uses a physical phone line such as a monitored alarm or medical alarm will work over naked DSL unless the ISP's have come up with a solution I haven't heard of. If they have it would require rewiring the house a little so the router could feed the old phone jacks a signal.

A bit of confusing marketing around naked DSL not requiring a phone line has lead some people to believe it doesn't connect to the telecom cabling. This is incorrect, it still requires a physical line back to a cabinet or telephone exchange, it just isn't connected to the telephone equipment when it gets there and therefore doesn't supply any phone service seperate to the ADSL.

Traditional ADSL is split by filters at both ends and connected to the telephone exchange at one end and the customers phone at the other as well as a seperate connection to the broadband equipment and customers modem. Naked DSL isn't split and dedicates the line to broadband only.

Re Para Two...The copper wire runs from my house to the nearest green box up the road. At the moment we are on ADSL2. If we went the whole hog, I assume that our telepone number would be disconnected from the Orcon/Telecom system & transferred to the Genius system. How does a friend then get to our phone, which appears to be only one outlet on the Genius.
Does the copper line still have to be paid for as a seperate entity from the Orcon $75 deal?
If the copper line is used for any other reason, the medical alarm, fax, for instance...would the opper line, hence a phone connection still be required?

The new Orcon deal does not mention whether the copper cost is included as it is in Orcons ADSL2 plan that we are on. PJ
Poppa John (284)
1263646 2012-03-08 04:30:00 They say the'll have fibre at my address in December 2016. Pfft I'm not waiting. icow (15313)
1263647 2012-03-08 05:27:00 You're not waiting? I don't think that you have many choices in the matter :p Chilling_Silence (9)
1263648 2012-03-08 05:34:00 I find the speed somewhat impressive (for your average joe nz connection) now, I feel as if the speed(s) listed will be irrelevant in 2016, chances are I will have moved by then away (preferably to somewhere with good internet :D) icow (15313)
1263649 2012-03-08 08:38:00 www.orcon.net.nz

Fast: 30Mbps down / 10Mbps up
$75 – 30Gb cap
$89 – 60Gb cap
$99 – 100Gb cap
$199 – 1,000Gb cap

Super-Fast: 100Mbps down / 50Mbps up
$110 – 30Gb cap
$124 – 60Gb cap
$134 – 100Gb cap
$234 – 1,000Gb cap

So... we're constantly told the reason for our overpriced internet and limited caps is the cost of the international data.
The above pricing shows that we're fed bullsh!+

In reality, the high fees we've been paying are for the ISPs infrastructure. The cost of the data itself is very modest if you consider the difference of $100 between a 100Gb plan and a 1000Gb plan... indicating that the difference of 900Gb of data costs only $100 (or less). ie 9Gb for $1.00

However, before anyone gets too excited, lets look at whether the Gb (as opposed to GB) is talking about bits, not bytes.
All the same, it suggests that my current 8GB plan (64Gb) should only cost $8 in terms of the actual data costs.

Still at $2388 for a year it's still far too expensive for my use.

I think you'll find that the "price per GB" has very little to do with the actual cost to the ISP and far more to do with how much the market will bear...
johcar (6283)
1263650 2012-03-08 08:50:00 Sounds expensive for me. A lot of contractors been upgrading cables - they have this giant spool thing on a trailer behind a ute. They've been upgrading our are and up the hill and around another suburb. I wonder if my ADSL2 would improve ... Nomad (952)
1263651 2012-03-08 09:55:00 Is this ultra fast BB gonna be affordable or is really for business/schools and enthusiasts? They are rolling out all these cables into the suburbs. Looking at these prices, I would think families won't be able to afford it and with the faster speeds the cap would be reached quicker. Nomad (952)
1263652 2012-03-08 10:03:00 They are upgrading the DSLAMs to support VDSL2 and I think also offer slightly better ADSL2+ as well as increasing the backhaul capacity from the cabinet to the exchange. I expect you will see an improvement. Greven (91)
1263653 2012-03-08 19:00:00 No speeds will change on existing infrastructure. In fact, for the better part, the backhaul from the Exchange / Cabinets to "the internet" will be left as-is, potentially just with the kit upgraded in the Exchange / Cabinets, but probably not even that.

The ADSL2+ / VDSL2 Rollout has finished at the end of 2011 as far as I'm aware, and I've not seen any further plans to extend it.

The plan (I'm assuming here for most ISP's) for UFB is for the prices to be a couple of dollars per-month more expensive than the ADSL2+ / VDSL2 plans, but by and large on-par. However as we've seen Orcon have decided to come out and smash their existing per-GB pricing structure, which is *total* BS as far as I'm concerned seeing as it'll still be costing them the same to bring in the data. I would bet they're either planning on you not ever using all of it, or hoping you're going to start doing a lot more of that nationally when services are announced locally like Netflix.
Chilling_Silence (9)
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