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Thread ID: 123888	2012-03-22 21:41:00	Maori claims to NZ shot to pieces?	Zippity (58)	PC World Chat

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1266457	2012-03-25 01:38:00	You don't need a treaty to know someone stole your land - in my view the Government needs to sort out the theft of Tuhoe land. Most people here justify the theft of the land in some way as we've seen in this thread, but those same people would react quite differently if the Crown stole their land.I dont think there is any doubt the Govt has occupied ("stole" as you put it) land that was originally not theirs to make use of, Maori are pretty good at occupying land also that isnt theirs. I think the issue is how that land is compensated for now and when is enough going to be enough. Maori have received billions in compensation for land that is worth a hell of a lot more now than when it was first occupied. When are Maori going to compensate the Govt and the rest of New Zealanders for the development and improvements to the land and making it actually worth something? Seems to me that if the Maori settle a claim for 150 million dollars for example, then they should be giving 149 million back for development and improvements because 1 million is more than enough for a bit of worthless dirt with scrub on it. In fact they got it right in the 1800's, a few muskets and flee-ridden blankets and maybe throw in a few beads and a box of stale ships crackers to make it more attractive is what it is worth. European settlement and influence is what has developed New Zealand, not Maori, Maori would still be in the dark ages running around raping and killing each other like savages, and stealing each others land and wealth. And not much has changed, some are still killing and raping and some are still acting like savages. Some are still stealing land (which they sold and now claim they didnt get enough for it at the time so its still theirs and want more for it) and most are stealing the wealth of all New Zealanders (in the form of "compensation").	Iantech (16386)
1266458	2012-03-25 01:48:00	I dont think there is any doubt the Govt has occupied ("stole" as you put it) land that was originally not theirs to make use of, Maori are pretty good at occupying land also that isnt theirs. I think the issue is how that land is compensated for now and when is enough going to be enough. Maori have received billions in compensation for land that is worth a hell of a lot more now than when it was first occupied. When are Maori going to compensate the Govt and the rest of New Zealanders for the development and improvements to the land and making it actually worth something? Seems to me that if the Maori settle a claim for 150 million dollars for example, then they should be giving 149 million back for development and improvements because 1 million is more than enough for a bit of worthless dirt with scrub on it. In fact they got it right in the 1800's, a few muskets and flee-ridden blankets and maybe throw in a few beads and a box of stale ships crackers to make it more attractive is what it is worth. European settlement and influence is what has developed New Zealand, not Maori, Maori would still be in the dark ages running around raping and killing each other like savages, and stealing each others land and wealth. And not much has changed, some are still killing and raping and some are still acting like savages. Some are still stealing land (which they sold and now claim they didnt get enough for it at the time so its still theirs and want more for it) and most are stealing the wealth of all New Zealanders (in the form of "compensation"). Ian, as long as we keep giving, they will keep taking, it is up to us, unfortunately we have the likes of Doug Graham negotiating for us, a total toe rag.	Cicero (40)
1266459	2012-03-25 01:52:00	Ci, maori is a r s e about face as far as I'm concerned, doesn't matter how we translate it, it's still not what maori think it should be. Tuhoe didn't sign the treaty, probably because they were stuck in the bush and were not as educated as the rest of Maori, just look at iti, shooting up the NZ flag is not very bright. Lurking. Ps. shame we don't follow the lead in this post and shoot-up the treaty and start over, lol. lurks. My dear Lurk, take my word old boy, I was talking tongue in cheek. The problem is, we have nobody, either with guts or knowledge as to how it can be deallt with. That Mai Chang could if given the right instructions.(Maybe)	Cicero (40)
1266460	2012-03-25 04:07:00	Has anyone else noticed that nearly all the "Trouble Makers" have European names and aren’t even half caste Maoris. They are straight out crossbreeds with a splash of Maori blood that have snuck their noses into the Government Trough. Let’s make a list. I’ll start with one of the biggest: Steven Gerard O’Regan, son of an Irish Doctor. Mike Smith of One Tree Hill fame. Ken Mair, occupation of Moutoa Gardens in Wanganui. Joe Hawke, Bastion Point. Douglas Graham, Waitangi Tribunal. There you go for starters, let’s see how many you can add. :D	B.M. (505)
1266461	2012-03-25 04:22:00	Looked at the colour of your neck today B.M.?	Richard (739)
1266462	2012-03-25 05:13:00	Quite right Richard, people shouldn't concern themselves with the injustice arising out of the treaty claims, in fact I say hand the lot over, then when shambles prevail, then we can start all over again.	Cicero (40)
1266463	2012-03-25 05:50:00	I personally have given back all the land that I have stolen. Well, to be honest, I've never stolen any land. Though it apears that I have paid for it just the same. Over and over. To grow a monster, you must feed it. Money, resourses, power, attention.	Metla (12)
1266464	2012-03-25 08:12:00	We dont help ourselves by voting for governments which continue the pain of the moaris treaty settlement. We need to vote in government which will stop this treaty grievance industry full stop. Until we Whites get our act together this industry will run for decades. There was a full and final settlement in 1940 but the pain still goes on.	prefect (6291)
1266465	2012-03-25 18:07:00	I personally have given back all the land that I have stolen. Well, to be honest, I've never stolen any land. Though it apears that I have paid for it just the same. Over and over. To grow a monster, you must feed it. Money, resourses, power, attention. So when the Government takes land it isn't on your behalf, but when they have to pay for it it is suddenly your money.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1266466	2012-03-25 18:17:00	I dont think there is any doubt the Govt has occupied ("stole" as you put it) land that was originally not theirs to make use of, Maori are pretty good at occupying land also that isnt theirs. I think the issue is how that land is compensated for now and when is enough going to be enough. Maori have received billions in compensation for land that is worth a hell of a lot more now than when it was first occupied. When are Maori going to compensate the Govt and the rest of New Zealanders for the development and improvements to the land and making it actually worth something? Seems to me that if the Maori settle a claim for 150 million dollars for example, then they should be giving 149 million back for development and improvements because 1 million is more than enough for a bit of worthless dirt with scrub on it. In fact they got it right in the 1800's, a few muskets and flee-ridden blankets and maybe throw in a few beads and a box of stale ships crackers to make it more attractive is what it is worth. European settlement and influence is what has developed New Zealand, not Maori, Maori would still be in the dark ages running around raping and killing each other like savages, and stealing each others land and wealth. And not much has changed, some are still killing and raping and some are still acting like savages. Some are still stealing land (which they sold and now claim they didnt get enough for it at the time so its still theirs and want more for it) and most are stealing the wealth of all New Zealanders (in the form of "compensation"). Your ignorance of history and your evident racism don't really make for much of an argument on your part, but if the Urewera's have so little value, why not just hand them back as they could hardly be described as developed.	Twelvevolts (5457)
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