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36162	2002-02-18 08:44:00	Guys, Get a load of this... After having thought to have concluded the PC Company debate, I thought I'd do a price comparison... If I build a computer using as close to the same components as them, I can do the 'Power System' for about $100 less using the Xp 1800+... The only difference is I used a MAxtor Drive, and they a seagate, that I had a 1000W Speaker system, and they had a 22W (not kidding, twenty two watts..), my mouse was Genius, and theirs was intelli, and I can't offer 6 months free internet... I had the same warranty conditions etc etc etc... And I can assure you that there is no hot-glue, string, nor any dead insects, faulty parts or melted componentry in any PC of mine! Besides, my CPU's reside in the 40's, not the 70's/80's... :) Erin Sorry to re-open this, but I had to rub salt into the wounds...	Guest (0)
36163	2002-02-18 09:11:00	$100 less!well seems to me the pc company is value for money .if u take into account there overheads ETC.	Guest (0)
36164	2002-02-18 09:17:00	I know who I'd rather support as well. With the speaker wattages one may be quoted in PMPO and the other RMS values. JM	Guest (0)
36165	2002-02-18 09:48:00	hi erin any chance you can post a breakdown of parts & cost ?? was that including software? its pretty rare to be able to beat an oem. it also depends on the size of the markup as well ;-)	Guest (0)
36166	2002-02-18 10:21:00	Hello Erin, I also think you are getting a bit carried away in your comparisons. If you are going to compare, you have to with Apples and Apples, as you will know there is a large price difference between an XP 1800+ and an XP 1900+ (currently around $140.00 retail) the same applies to the Genius Mouse compared to the Intellimouse and the 22Watt speakers are RMS your certainly will be PMPO again a large difference, also are you offering the same bundled software as they are. As you will know I'm no fan of the PC Company machines, however I feel as we chastised them for their poor advertising and clouding of system specifications, any comparisons undertaken must be accurate and full. Alan	Guest (0)
36167	2002-02-18 10:38:00	Hi, Vaild points, yes... I have included all the same software except the free internet. Good call, my speakers are PMPO, theirs are RMS, but still, there is a substaintiale differnce there. What you say about the XP1900 vs the 1800 is completely true, but also out of context, as the PC Company's price was for a system with the XP 1800+, I got the full details from a sale rep I talked to the otehr day, and he gave me a catalogue, so I've gone though it in much detail... I think what gives me the advantage here is that they aren't bundling all the usual scanners, printers etc, for which it is incredibly hard to get decent prices. In the case of large amounts of RAM, and fat Hard Drives, I can get things almost as cheaply as them, and I don't have to pay millions to staff, rentals on outlets and warehouses, web-hosting etc... Sometimes it pays to keep it simple no? I have recalculated it, and I am completely right, I can do (almost exactly) the same PC for $90.73 less than they can! YAY! :) Erin	Guest (0)
36168	2002-02-18 22:25:00	Don't take this to heart Erin...but.. Don't throw stones in glasshouses as the saying goes. I have had a look at your systems on your sites..and some of the parts you are using are absolute junk, but then some are very good. Ontegrated 10/100 Ethernet LAN.. 56K Modem (integrated).. PC CHIPS Motherboards.. Proview Monitors.. People I know have had nothing but problems with these components.... Quote 'Genius Computers is not responsible for software problems, help or troubleshooting, so any software problems should be directed to the maker of the software' Not good enough sorry, all manufacturers provide at least 30day support for the software. My point is you have been very vocal in your distaste for PC Company products, but it can go both ways. Simple economics are, you get what you pay for. All credit to you for getting out there and doing it. But it is poor business practice to constantly slagg off opposition companies. Also when you are calculating the cost of your system are you including GST, wages, rent, insurance, tech support, advertising, product fault margins and the list goes on. I am very doubtful that you could honestly undercut an OEM on parts or software, it just doesn't happen. When you sell as many computers as the OEM's I gaurantee you will be having your fair share of returns as well. As I said don't take it personally. Just pointing out the reality.	Guest (0)
36169	2002-02-19 00:00:00	As a matter of interest, what is your website Erin? I would love to have a look. G P	Guest (0)
36170	2002-02-19 04:47:00	PMPO??? ask any audiophile and they will laugh at u . pmpo is a standard that dosent have a standard	Guest (0)
36171	2002-02-19 05:33:00	This while debate seems to be becoming circular. Erin, you may be on dodgy ground expousing your virtues versus PC Coy, given that some of your posts on this thread are pseudo-advertising. As for the debate of local (ie boutique) assembler versus name one, we can try doing that in a new thread if someone wants to. A friend of mine just got one built by a friend of a friend. Theoretically a good price, but only been in about a week and already crashes in Win98 without anything running! Runs fine during gameplay but crashes at the desktop. Dodgy, if you ask me. robo.	Guest (0)
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