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| 1291681 | 2012-08-01 19:06:00 | I wouldn't have such a problem with it if MS weren't in control of it . They say Win RT is going to be locked down but Win 8 will allow a bios option to disable. Just sounds too much like MS up to its dirty tricks again. They must be worried that Windows on Arm is going to be such a dog that people will want to install Linux on it. so much negativity in this thread Windows RT is a integrated software/hardware stack like an iPad is. Can you load Android onto an iPad? No. Can you load iOS onto a Android tablet? No. UEFI is an Industry standard, not a Microsoft one. Intel was the driving force in creating EFI, and then later UEFI. www.uefi.org Secure Boot is simply part of that standard, and was put there to increase end-to-end security by closing one vector of attack used by malware. Windows 8 doesn't requires it, just that an OEM who wishes to put a “Made for Windows 8” logo on their new computer must use it, and it must be enabled by default. There are no restrictions on what OEM’s can do with their UEFI implementation, or what OS’s can sign their boot loaders or kernels. Again, this is a published industry standard, one that Apple is already using on their hardware, for example. Microsoft is just laying out the requirements for the Windows 8 logo program. |
nmercer (3899) | ||
| 1291682 | 2012-08-02 09:32:00 | Windows RT is a integrated software/hardware stack like an iPad is. Can you load Android onto an iPad? No. Can you load iOS onto a Android tablet? No. You don't know what you are talking about as it is nothing like the iPad, apart from the Surface which is going to be made by MS anyone else (OEM's) using Win RT are restricted. UEFI is an Industry standard, not a Microsoft one. Intel was the driving force in creating EFI, and then later UEFI. www.uefi.org Secure Boot is simply part of that standard, and was put there to increase end-to-end security by closing one vector of attack used by malware. Tell me why MS are holding the keys for it then. Windows 8 doesn't requires it, just that an OEM who wishes to put a “Made for Windows 8” logo on their new computer must use it, and it must be enabled by default. There are no restrictions on what OEM’s can do with their UEFI implementation, or what OS’s can sign their boot loaders or kernels. Again, this is a published industry standard, one that Apple is already using on their hardware, for example. Microsoft is just laying out the requirements for the Windows 8 logo program. Win 8 yes but Win RT no. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1291683 | 2012-08-02 17:54:00 | You don't know what you are talking about as it is nothing like the iPad, apart from the Surface which is going to be made by MS anyone else (OEM's) using Win RT are restricted. Tell me why MS are holding the keys for it then. Win 8 yes but Win RT no. Yes I do know what I'm talking about :) firstly Win RT and Windows RT are 2 completely different things Windows RT is exactly like an iPad. Can you download and install iOS on an existing tablet? iPad no, Windows RT no. Can I buy an iPad / Windows RT device without an OS? iPad No, Windows RT, No. re the logo I clearly stated Windows 8 not Windows RT (again Win RT is something completely different) |
nmercer (3899) | ||
| 1291684 | 2012-08-02 20:31:00 | You don't know what you are talking about as it is nothing like the iPad, apart from the Surface which is going to be made by MS anyone else (OEM's) using Win RT are restricted. Tell me why MS are holding the keys for it then. Win 8 yes but Win RT no. also if you don't want Secure Boot, disable it, or build your own system or just buy a PC without it No one is forcing you to buy or use a PC with Secure Boot |
nmercer (3899) | ||
| 1291685 | 2012-08-03 08:06:00 | Windows RT is exactly like an iPad. No it is not. The Surface with Windows RT is exactly the same but any OEM tablet running Windows RT is nothing like the iPad. I stand corrected on the difference between Win RT & Windows RT. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1291686 | 2012-08-03 08:09:00 | also if you don't want Secure Boot, disable it, or build your own system or just buy a PC without it No one is forcing you to buy or use a PC with Secure Boot You can't disable it with Windows RT which is what I don't like. Why are they treating Windows 8 and Windows RT differently. You are right no one is forcing me to buy any PC with Secure boot and if I have no way of disabling it I won't be. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1291687 | 2012-08-03 11:58:00 | Windows RT is exactly like an iPad. Can you download and install iOS on an existing tablet? iPad no, Windows RT no. Can I buy an iPad / Windows RT device without an OS? iPad No, Windows RT, No. Why not? Open hardware drove the PC revolution and it will do the same for tablets. Why are they treating Windows 8 and Windows RT differently.Because they are going to have a hard enough time selling Win8 as it is :) You are right no one is forcing me to buy any PC with Secure boot and if I have no way of disabling it I won't be. +1 |
fred_fish (15241) | ||
| 1291688 | 2012-08-03 19:15:00 | No it is not. The Surface with Windows RT is exactly the same but any OEM tablet running Windows RT is nothing like the iPad. I stand corrected on the difference between Win RT & Windows RT. yes it is like an iPad Windows RT software will not be sold or distributed independently. Rather you will get integrated, end-to-end products, just as you would expect from a consumer electronics device that integrates hardware and software. I'm not sure what you mean by "any OEM tablet running Windows RT is nothing like the iPad" Whether that is a Surface device from Microsoft or from another OEM, its an integrated product containing the hardware and software combo, just like an iPad. |
nmercer (3899) | ||
| 1291689 | 2012-08-03 19:18:00 | You can't disable it with Windows RT which is what I don't like. Why are they treating Windows 8 and Windows RT differently. You are right no one is forcing me to buy any PC with Secure boot and if I have no way of disabling it I won't be. Windows RT is not a PC, is a consumer electronics device that integrates hardware and software together If you want a PC buy a Windows 8 PC not a Windows RT device Why would you want to disable Secure Boot on Windows RT? I've never heard people complain that they can't load Android onto an iPad or iOS onto an Android device |
nmercer (3899) | ||
| 1291690 | 2012-08-03 19:21:00 | Why not? Open hardware drove the PC revolution and it will do the same for tablets. Because they are going to have a hard enough time selling Win8 as it is :)+1 What OS is it that you want to load onto your Windows RT hardware device Windows 8 sales we will have to wait and see, personally I'm quietly confident on Windows 8 sales :) |
nmercer (3899) | ||
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