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Thread ID: 16090	2002-02-26 05:17:00	Email Hell - paying for junk mail you never sent	Guest (0)	Press F1

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37127	2002-02-26 05:17:00	How about this true story: Friend of mine has had some brilliant person email junk mail with an address in his domain name. He is now PAYING his ISP for extra traffic for all the bounce messages that come back. Any suggestions? It's not his fault at all, been using this domain for about five years. I will try to give a prize for the nastiest, most vengeful (but doable) ideas. robo.	Guest (0)
37128	2002-02-26 05:27:00	I think that he should be able to tell his ISP wwhere to put the bills. If these are bounces of emails allegedly sent by him, they will have to be able to show the logs of the outgoing emails. They keep logs. The bloody SIS and Police insist on it ... If the offending emails have gone out and he has not sent them, the ISP has got a bad security problem because they are allowing forwarding. That is their problem. Not your friend's.	Guest (0)
37129	2002-02-26 06:26:00	Sheesh that one takes the cake! Well methinks it shouldn't be too difficult to find the host of the spammer's site, or it's (his or hers) ISP. Then do unto it as it did unto you - pull the same slimy snotty trick, subscribe it's email addresses (including a hundred or so common@it'sdomain.com names, such as webmaster, info, etc etc, to every single mass mail marketer you can find. Also - subscribe to as many newsgroups as you can, anonymously, that have subject groups similar to the service it provides in it's spams, and using a valid anonymous Yahoo addy invite as much info as can be gained by pretending a deep interest in the subject (assuming it's not blatant unlawful subject matter coz that could backfire extremely badly) - then see if some of the mail addy's to your responses match with some of the addy's that you've picked up from your traces - soon you'll gain some positive addresses and can further your dastardly revenge by again in turn subscribing them a zillion times to all the email 'marketers' Also get into hacker forums and usegroups and get pally with the underworld hackers, You do this by gently merging in with the regulars, occasionally making a comment, but not giving advice or tips of course, unless you're the Mother of All Hackkers yourself. Do a lot of agreeing with popular opinion, specially if the Uber's give it. Sometimes you'll see a question posed, go out and meticulously research that one, then go back and give an opinion. Occasionally mention your younger sister, whose keen on 'puters and also reads all posts. Sooner or later you'll be accepted, and they'll stop to scan your ports every visit. (oh yeah - use a dedicated puter for this and a short-term isp deal). Then after you've exchanged a few mails with the better crews, make a shock announcement, that 'This DIRTY stinking dog from (insert spammer's name, website etc here) who was asking me for info and got pally with my lil sis online, started stalking her and yesterday tried to rape her!' or some such thing. Of course you'll already have created a persona for your sister, who will occasionally have exchanged a few messages with the guys, and has such a bright bubbly and giving personality! Ok - well we'd then have to see if this bunch of nefarious underworlders does the spammer a good turn or what! The above bit worked when I got into puters - well not the degree of using a fake sister, cos I was never in it to fool anyone, just learn a bit, but I know most I learned about legitimate hacking like that - username used to be beta_biscuit. Remember to learn the jargon - just the right amount of course, ya don't wanna be confused with a scrippy (script-wipe-arse/ kiddy). And pretend as LITTLE as you can - they'll always find your country etc, and often more from the settings in the op sys of the puter you use. Hope you like it Rob, even tho it'll take a fair bit of time and effort.	Guest (0)
37130	2002-02-26 06:38:00	I forgot to ask - does the friend have email wild-carding enabled by default? If so and has the option of disabling it, then that may be a cure. Wildcarding causes me a bit of strife thru some of my domains, but usually only to the common ones, such as webmaster, which I disable altogether where I can. If not some hosts allow filtering, where you can create a special pop email address under that alias, then block all mail to it. Depends of course your friend's host has a limited number of email accounts with the host and they're all used up, or essential.	Guest (0)
37131	2002-02-26 06:57:00	I was kind of hoping to get Erin onto it, but thing is all Peter gets is these replies - so he loses the detail in the header of the original message. Most are bounces for messages that don't exist. His ISP is Asia Offline, and he can try telling them that he didn't send the original, but anyone can pretend to be anyone with a sent email, can't they? But he's on Jetstream and sucking the bandwidth bigtime. As it is, he installed MDAemon to delete the bounces, but they are in the thousands and they just mount up. Not good. robo.	Guest (0)
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