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Thread ID: 16719	2002-03-15 23:55:00	NZ Hackers/Crackers/Coders	Guest (0)	Press F1

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39365	2002-03-15 23:55:00	Hey, If anyone who actually reads this post, lives in NZ and has more than 3 braincells devoted to computer security or software development then I would ask if you would be keen to visit irc.asylum-net.org #adh The room may have a few ppl in it at times but is frequented by many ppl with high knowledge, The room will be providing lectures starting approx 1st april 2002 on a regular basis on many topic - Buffer Overflows - Signal Based Overflows - Coding (many langs) - Cracking - Viruses just to name a few, there will also be lectures given on social engineering and other topics by mass request, Also : the staff of PCWorld, i read ur mag occasionally, not such a bad mag but it still has a bad attitude to your stereotype hacker, i think you should put more effort into seperating them from the trojan kiddies NZ is full of, Anyone who wishes to give or be present at lectures is welcome, all you need is a good attitude and be willing to learn new things, Lamers etc etc will be kick/banned *if u dunno what IRC is, www.mirc.com is ur best bet,* FJEER Terminal Hybrid irc.asylum-net.org #ADH	Guest (0)
39366	2002-03-16 00:13:00	Agreed PCW needs to better distinguish between a hacker and a cracker, but then no-one really manages to get it right... :) Erin	Guest (0)
39367	2002-03-16 00:50:00	Um, I beg to differ. I know the difference between a hacker and a cracker. And those that need to be killed at birth (you'll see what I mean later, I am not without sin). My credentials: Cracker: - me and a friend had cracked the copy protection of Beyond Castle Wolfenstein back in about May 1984 within six days of it's release in the US. - the same partnership would have defeated the copy protection of a number of other games. We competed with a couple of guys from Wellington to see who could do the most. - after trying to develop an electronic method of identifying the track numbers on disks where copy protection was causing problems, we came up with a solution that required some stickers and a pencial (it rocked). Hacker - I knew the guy who was arrested for hacking into the Auckland Harbour Board computer back in the eighties. A number of friends tried all sorts of things to get into various hosts (War Games was a favourite movie for some of them). - I wrote a little program in Fortran that faked a login screen and captured passwords. Meant I could use other people's time on the University computers. I was pretty slack, so didn't really need the time. Complete Bastard: - I also created something that would stand up to the definition of a virus back in 1982. It destroyed data and put itself onto other disks. Crude, but enough to make me the first prefect to go on detention at my school. I blame the irresponsibility of youth. - A friend did something much worse and modified the OS to randomly swap the contents of sectors without updating the VTOC (like FAT) until stopped. Made mincemeat of data, was faster than my attempt, and much meaner because things could be partially screwed and still work for a few days. So, in summary, I think I can tell the difference. Unless the names have changed over the years. I am not sure what you call people who make viruses, but I hope it isn't a nice name. I would add that all my exploits were done while I was under the age of majority and it was a long time ago. I am a good boy now. robo.	Guest (0)
39368	2002-03-16 05:50:00	Greetings. What is the appeal of this channel? Does it have any particular relevance to the NZ scene? If so why is it hosted where it is? What differentiates it from the plethora of other resources available? Perhaps you might want to consider a more modern venue that requires registration and authentication?	Guest (0)
39369	2002-03-16 11:47:00	Jeez that biff character sure knows how to implode itself. But, to fjeer - (the world's biggest lamer?) terminal hybrid issue - sounds like it's an abject case without appropriate cause, and a sad sad soul, that needs to populate a serious and constructive computer users' forum to gain recognition for it's own life deficiencies. Hackers and crackers, by popular definition indulge in illegal and often immoral activities. In stricter terms I could be called a hacker, because I like to tinker with my own computer system, breaking and investigating code legally, or changing my Windows' settings and otherwise rearranging software to suit myself. But I'd never attempt to gain access to anyone else's computer without their express permission for help. It's apparent that this hybrid creature is trying to recruit people for nefarious purposes, and it's website should be avoided like the plague. 'Stereotype hackers' - they're just as bad as the miserable cretins that use this waste-of-life's website. Just look at the site's name, and you know instantly where that sort of animal should be enclosed. Just my opinion, and sorry to regular forum readers, but low-life's such as the sort of slug that wrote this original post deserve nothing but my complete scorn.	Guest (0)
39370	2002-03-16 12:04:00	... apologies to biff - the first comment in my previous post was made assuming he/she was referring to F1 - but re-reading the post I believe it was pointed at the original poster.	Guest (0)
39371	2002-03-17 11:16:00	I was accused of hacking at my course. They installed snoopware half way through my course which supposedly couldn't be removed. Well what do you know I removed it using the 3 finger salute but it came back after 5 minutes. So I created a program from home to do the dirty work for me by checking to see if this program was loaded and kill it everytime it was loaded. They told me they couldn't get a connection to my computer and I lied saying it must be a faulty network card but they could never see the problem because the program only ran when I logged in and not them. I never forced entry into any computers I just knew how to program. They just didn't like me basically and they reported that I had done hacking activities and said that they had monitored me hacking into their systems which I didn't do. It was my word against this so called 'hacking tracking tutor'. The snoopware was loaded onto my machine and no domain/server. The snoopware was installed on everyone's computer not just mine. It wasn't permanently removed. I didn't uninstall it. I just had another program running which disabled it while I worked. It didn't stop for every other student because it was only loaded on my login name. If they had this so called 'hacking tracking tutor' why would they need spyware? The snoopware only monitors what is seen on your screen. Maybe they caught me working on some javascripts for my site and thought I was hacking. My student record from that course now says I am a hacker and am no longer allowed to do anymore training from them. I asked for a log to prove my malicious hacking but I wasn't given anything. I just wish people and my tutors knew what hackers were. So maybe I shouldn't have temporarily disabled the snoopware or built my site. It was an A+ Cert and Net+ Cert Course. I feel my justice wasn't correct. They said it was instant dismissal for hacking and that they would get the law into this and I would have been sued for every penny. So why didn't they do this? I hope they visit here because that is my realname and they'll know what I am talking about. Please offer your opinion on this matter. The snoopware they used was only a evaluation copy anyway and I had a look at the site to see what it exactly did because I wouldn't like them stealing my passwords either. I wouldn't be interested in viewing that channel. I can't stand people asking questions on how do you do this or how do you do that. If people want to learn how to program then read. GW-BASICs came with a huge manual that I read over and over until I knew it like the back of my hand. Then more languages came easy to me and all of a sudden I do a computer technician course and am labelled a hacker.	Guest (0)
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