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Thread ID: 124250	2012-04-14 19:00:00	Airbus jet in a 'terrifying' near miss	tut (12033)	PC World Chat

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1270077	2012-04-14 19:00:00	http://www.nzherald.co.nz/ I think aviation reporters should all be recruited from the ranks of ex pilots to stop such sensational reporting as this. Does nothing but scare the hell out of passengers that know nothing about aviation.	tut (12033)
1270078	2012-04-14 22:57:00	Uncle Roger used to be rather scathing about "Monty Orangeball, Wizard Prangs Reporter". Apparently aviation reporting is reserved for those who can't provide the degree of accuracy required to be a trainee garden show reporter.	R2x1 (4628)
1270079	2012-04-15 00:08:00	It just sounds like standard procedure dramatised by the media as usual. Most modern airlines have a warning system in them when they are about a couple of miles or so from another aircraft. The captain here just took standard avoidance procedures. Yes I can understand some passengers getting upset when they are in a decent to land when suddenly to them they are climbing again. :)	Trev (427)
1270080	2012-04-15 01:21:00	Yeah. Much ado about nothing.	mikebartnz (21)
1270081	2012-04-15 01:26:00	Any sort of climb in a large jet like an A320 is going to feel big, especially when you are 10 mins out from landing, low power and slowing down. With the lag from the jets I I doubt the climb would have been that sudden, he probably went from 30 to 60-75 and executed a 20 deg climb whilst rolling to one side, a move taking at least 30 secs to complete. If he had just pulled up they would have enjoyed a lovely ascent followed by a few secs of zero gravity before the ground hit. Big plane, slow to manouever travelling fast. If they were in any real CLOSE calls they would have hit the darned thing. You just have to react quickly in those big sluggish monoliths.	The Error Guy (14052)
1270082	2012-04-15 01:35:00	Any sort of climb in a large jet like an A320 is going to feel big, especially when you are 10 mins out from landing, low power and slowing down. With the lag from the jets I I doubt the climb would have been that sudden, he probably went from 30 to 60-75 and executed a 20 deg climb whilst rolling to one side, a move taking at least 30 secs to complete. If he had just pulled up they would have enjoyed a lovely ascent followed by a few secs of zero gravity before the ground hit. Big plane, slow to manouever travelling fast. If they were in any real CLOSE calls they would have hit the darned thing. You just have to react quickly in those big sluggish monoliths. It was not an air miss the vertical separation was within limits. The pilot was being a drama queen.	prefect (6291)
1270083	2012-04-15 01:40:00	http://www . nzherald . co . nz/ I think aviation reporters should all be recruited from the ranks of ex pilots to stop such sensational reporting as this . Does nothing but scare the hell out of passengers that know nothing about aviation . Agreed, tut . Ideally at a minimum, all aviation "reporters" should have some flight training, even if only to first solo stage . Then maybe, just maybe, with their new found knowledge, they'll stop writing such scaremongering crap . :mad: But it's not an ideal world, and the cost of that training is most likely not in the newspaper's budget . Besides, it probably sells the paper for them . Much more interesting to read about "minutes of terror" as a big passenger jet "plummets" earthwards in free fall rather than the bland reality of a couple of seconds in a downdraft and loss of 40 or 50 feet of height . . . And do away with the myth that light aircraft are a safety hazard, and they must be kept away from the heavies at all cost . I onvce took off from LAX in a four seater (C210 for the buffs) . The control tower asked me to maintain height at about 50ft above the runway, then sent a Boeing 707 off the same runway over the top of me . No problem, I was observing instructions, the 707 was in a max rate climb and probably cleared me by 500ft . Everybody happy - no rules broken and within safe margins . But imagine what a field day the media would have had, had they witnessed it! At a minimum, required reading for aviation reporters should be Patrick Smith's Q + A - Ask the Pilot ( . askthepilot . com/questions-and-answers/#cX-q6" target="_blank">www . askthepilot . com) Recommended for everybody . In plain non-technical language and easy to read . :thumbs:	WalOne (4202)
1270084	2012-04-15 02:15:00	Closest near miss I had was flying my B22 in pretty bad weather thru the Taupiri gap to Auckland via Huntly from Te Kowhai when a Cessna 172 come hurring thru from the Huntly end about opposite Billy Ts resting place. Knew it was close because I got rocked by its turbulence. I think he saw me and kept right but I didnt see him till he passed. If I was a smoker I would have landed at Ohinewai airfield for a butt.	prefect (6291)
1270085	2012-04-15 06:18:00	Agreed, tut. Ideally at a minimum, all aviation "reporters" should have some flight training, even if only to first solo stage. Then maybe, just maybe, with their new found knowledge, they'll stop writing such scaremongering crap. :mad: A few of the aviation reporters I've encountered would take years of training to master a teaspoon to solo stage, they are aviation reporters as a last resort - there's nowhere lower ranked to go down to.	R2x1 (4628)
1270086	2012-04-15 06:53:00	WalOne, when I flew out of Memphis which is the hub for Fedex it was not unusual for a heavy to be held down after liftoff while another went over the top from a crossing runway. Once even took off on 18 while a 747 was landing 36. Tower say "Clear for take-off immediate left turn please contact departure through 1000ft" Did you ever transit the VFR lane along the beach at LAX and have the taking off aircraft pass underneath you? New Zealand is so far from real aviation. Some of those things would really give the cub reporter some thing to write about if he could stop his hand from shaking from fear.	tut (12033)
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