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| Thread ID: 124282 | 2012-04-16 11:54:00 | Performance Based Pay | Twelvevolts (5457) | PC World Chat |
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| 1270423 | 2012-04-17 02:39:00 | Perhaps the evidence that teachers do such a good job is that 20 % of their student end up illiterate. That's not necessarily the fault of the teacher. The spread of intelligence throughout any population base (the normal bell curve) would suggest that some will always be unteachable. |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 1270424 | 2012-04-17 04:54:00 | Interesting subject. SWMBO and I are in Sydney at the moment. The news has details about Toyota laying off 350 workers due to downturn in sales. 88 took voluntary redundancy and the rest were selected by management, apparently based on people they had difficult relations with (not wanting to wear safety gear was one example) an a large number of union reps. Only God and the unions would know why more than one union rep was needed. Perhaps, Twelve Volts, this is the opposite side to performance based pay? Ken - from a very wet Sydney |
kenj (9738) | ||
| 1270425 | 2012-04-17 05:49:00 | That's not necessarily the fault of the teacher. The spread of intelligence throughout any population base (the normal bell curve) would suggest that some will always be unteachable. 20% ? |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1270426 | 2012-04-17 07:25:00 | ".Evaluation by performance, merit rating, or annual review of performance." is one of Edwards Deming's seven deadly diseases (en.wikipedia.org) - | decibel (11645) | ||
| 1270427 | 2012-04-17 08:45:00 | I always thought TwelveVolts was fully occupied inspiring Tui's ad makers, in which case performance based pay would have him way out in front of Graham Hart. ;) | R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 1270428 | 2012-04-17 08:48:00 | That's not necessarily the fault of the teacher. The spread of intelligence throughout any population base (the normal bell curve) would suggest that some will always be unteachable. Of those on the southern side of the bell's bendy bits, 120 are in Wellington, the rest are enrolled in Epsom. ;) |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 1270429 | 2012-04-17 22:54:00 | Perhaps the evidence that teachers do such a good job is that 20 % of their student end up illiterate. You can lead a horse to water, Cicero, but you can not make him drink. ;) Perhaps we should have a similar system for ministers of the crown? |
KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1270430 | 2012-04-18 00:42:00 | Any system that pays everyone exactly the same regardless of effort and/or ability destroys the incentive to work hard and instead tends to drag all down to the minimum possible particularly when it is very difficult to get rid of the useless. While I agree with that, some teachers really do stand out as being better or worse and there are some that just should not be teaching, I can see a lot of problems implementing this. As someone has said a lot can depend on who it is that is grading the teachers and the personal conflicts that might arise and the fact that different kids can benefit more from one teacher than anothere and visa versa. If there was a nice scientific way of doing it where personal conflicts didn't come into it I would say go for it but I can't see that happening. |
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