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Thread ID: 124386	2012-04-23 22:31:00	Parking ticket confusion	DeSade (984)	PC World Chat

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1271541	2012-04-30 00:42:00	The operative word in your earlier post was "parked". So I now ask of you: "Are you for real?" :( You really are a pratt. If the vehicle doesn't have a WOF it doesn't belong on the road full stop, parked or not.	mikebartnz (21)
1271542	2012-04-30 00:49:00	I am in the process of considering going to court over a parking ticket I got recently. I have been parking for the ferry in the same area for the last ten years - almost always I have reversed into the angle carpark. I have done this for safety reasons - arriving at the wharf it's not particularly busy, but coming home there are poeple and cars and bikes everywhere. Up until recently I have never been ticketed for "Incorrect Angle Parking". (There's nothing in that road code link that inphinity posted to suggest this is not permitted) When I disputed the legality of the infringement, Auckland Transport pointed me to this (www.legislation.govt.nz). However the key words here for me are “the road controlling authority has indicated that vehicles may be parked only at an angle to the direction of the road-way”. I can be corrected as I haven't been there but I believe in Aussie angle parking is opposite to ours so that you are facing the road when you leave which to me is way more sensible. It could be very interesting to take your case to court as it isn't the same as parrallel parking.	mikebartnz (21)
1271543	2012-04-30 00:51:00	It makes no differance if your parked across a driveway then your obstructing the driveway. Your restricting access to the property (even if it is you own) to emergency services vehicles for one thing. What the hell do you think you are doing if you have parked just inside? You are going to have to come up with something better than that.	mikebartnz (21)
1271544	2012-04-30 01:34:00	So you are saying because it is parked that it is not an offence under the Road Traffic Act? You are also saying that any vehicle can be "parked" on the road without a Wof/COF and registration! Maybe "parked" would be the wrong word as it has been there for well over a month, Yes in that time was moved back several metres from a junction it was/still is causing a visibilty obstruction to. To move it would mean "DRIVING it on a public road". So you still struggling to see what offences being commited by the owner/driver? Your the one that said no excuse for parking over a driveway earlier in this thread. I believe that the offence is operating a vehicle without WOF etc. Operate is defined in the Land Transport Act "operate, in relation to a vehicle, means to drive or use the vehicle on a road, or to cause or permit the vehicle to be on a road or to be driven on a road, whether or not the person is present with the vehicle; and operator has a corresponding meaning" Your car on the edge of a highway would probably be outside the Council's area and the Police will probably pull the "We're too busy to go and look at it" line. Try a letter to your local paper.	PaulD (232)
1271545	2012-04-30 01:35:00	I can be corrected as I haven't been there but I believe in Aussie angle parking is opposite to ours so that you are facing the road when you leave which to me is way more sensible. It could be very interesting to take your case to court as it isn't the same as parrallel parking. Just waiting to hear back from NZTA with a confirmation and a link to the clause they refer to below about signs - the NZTA have told me that "In the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 it says, "… an angle to the direction of the roadway". This means that when you are driving on the left the angle provides for you to drive in forwards. If the intention was for a driver to reverse into the park the angle would be the other way. The amendment to the rule now says there must be a sign saying "forward in"." This last sentence is in conflict with the previous sentence, but maybe I have a case (there are no signs saying "forward in")....	johcar (6283)
1271546	2012-04-30 03:11:00	I believe that the offence is operating a vehicle without WOF etc. Operate is defined in the Land Transport Act "operate, in relation to a vehicle, means to drive or use the vehicle on a road, or to cause or permit the vehicle to be on a road or to be driven on a road, whether or not the person is present with the vehicle; and operator has a corresponding meaning" Your car on the edge of a highway would probably be outside the Council's area and the Police will probably pull the "We're too busy to go and look at it" line. Try a letter to your local paper. It is clearly on the Highway or shoulder say the highway shoulder beside that is a strip of grass and then footpath and properties as the Highway section passes through a town. No one in their right mind leaves a vehicle parked on this piece of higway at night unless they have to even then we try to tuck down a side road. In the 6 years of livng alongside this road I have never seen a vehicle left for so long or risked parking over night every night the last month or so. Another chat with el ploddo today and a higher up the rank deputy area commander and the line I have been fed is that it can be parked there and it is only an offence to be driven, which is basically the same line the NZTA fed me. But theres a twist the Roading Authority contractors can get it moved if they deem it unsafe, now that to me is bolloxs and who is the roading authority contractors they speak of? So my reply to el ploddo was I have two cars without wofs and regos on exemption, and I intend to move and park them on the highway behind this vehicle. Now I can not drive them on to the highway but I can push them on to the highway. No wonder the cops are getting such a hard time when they can not enforce the basic of laws.	coldfront (15814)
1271547	2012-04-30 03:16:00	Just waiting to hear back from NZTA with a confirmation and a link to the clause they refer to below about signs - the NZTA have told me that "In the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 it says, "… an angle to the direction of the roadway". This means that when you are driving on the left the angle provides for you to drive in forwards. If the intention was for a driver to reverse into the park the angle would be the other way. The amendment to the rule now says there must be a sign saying "forward in"." This last sentence is in conflict with the previous sentence, but maybe I have a case (there are no signs saying "forward in").... If you want to see parking signs that will baffle you then try the Keatahi Carpark on the Northern flanks of Mount Tongariro. DoC put signs to get people to park properly one says parallel parking (well thats the obvious one) but the other says "perpendicular Parking" How the heck do you explain that type of parking and worst still to Foreign Tourists whos english is basic. Oh and the best part and we got a photo of "perpendicular parking" is Hilltop School minibus parked parralel to a perpendicular sign. btw, any typo errors sue me :)	coldfront (15814)
1271548	2012-04-30 03:16:00	Well hello?! so my comment in Post #44 was correct after all? :) :) :)	Zippity (58)
1271549	2012-04-30 04:22:00	Another chat with el ploddo today and a higher up the rank deputy area commander and the line I have been fed is that it can be parked there and it is only an offence to be driven, which is basically the same line the NZTA fed me. El ploddo needs more experience with the mundane tasks that parking wardens normally do. In Wellington you get ticketed parked on the street outside your house if you don't have wof or license. "If the regulations or the rules require a vehicle to have current evidence of vehicle inspection or a current certificate of loading, or both, a person may not operate the vehicle on a road without the appropriate current evidence of vehicle inspection or certificate or both (as the case may require)." Operate covers parking as well as driving. You have to get the car off road onto private property. If the law does allow you to "operate" on grass but not tar seal then it is an ass.	PaulD (232)
1271550	2012-04-30 07:21:00	El ploddo needs more experience with the mundane tasks that parking wardens normally do. In Wellington you get ticketed parked on the street outside your house if you don't have wof or license. "If the regulations or the rules require a vehicle to have current evidence of vehicle inspection or a current certificate of loading, or both, a person may not operate the vehicle on a road without the appropriate current evidence of vehicle inspection or certificate or both (as the case may require)." Operate covers parking as well as driving. You have to get the car off road onto private property. If the law does allow you to "operate" on grass but not tar seal then it is an ass. Yes this vehicle IS ON THE ROAD parked beside the kerb but the road is wide enough not to be causing an obstruction. It is a joke beyond belief and all I can hope for is that we get a severe frost overnight after some rain to assist the trucks to side swipe it on black ice. Without injury I might add! Then I will quite happily say to el plodo "I told you so" and no doubt they will issue a ticket then. Goes back to what has been said on many occasions "INCONSISTANCY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT"	coldfront (15814)
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