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Thread ID: 124344	2012-04-21 00:40:00	Revenue gathering on the roads Really???	coldfront (15814)	PC World Chat

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1271042	2012-04-23 05:55:00	... and how difficult it is to enforce good behaviour on cyclists because of the lack of traceability due to a lack of registration. When it comes down to it, police are too busy doing other, higher priority stuff. When a cyclist runs a red, the only person they will hurt is themselves (not that I condone this type of behaviour at all - quite the opposite!!).I disagree John, there is no way I would want to be responsible for hitting a cyclist running a red light. The cyclists fault or not..	plod (107)
1271043	2012-04-23 06:16:00	I disagree John, there is no way I would want to be responsible for hitting a cyclist running a red light. The cyclists fault or not.. I don't disagree, and hope that everyone else feels the same way, however my point was that the cyclist in my example has made a choice to disobey the traffic signals, presumably knowing the possible consequences. We can't keep treating everyone like children and absolve them from responsibility, especially their own	johcar (6283)
1271044	2012-04-23 08:25:00	- but I think it's more likely that the LACK of kids riding bikes to school and after school, means that teenagers have less 'road-sense' when they actually get behind a wheel. Very likely. It really does worry me that there are so few kids these days riding to school. They have put these cycle lanes around Masterton recently but there would be probably one twentieth or less of the cyclists on the roads from my younger days. Even saw a taxi picking up a kid from school today.:horrified:horrified	mikebartnz (21)
1271045	2012-04-23 08:27:00	Dual carriageways and motorways it is 70mph. Open road National Speedlimit is 60mph! Check the Highway Code. Also use in context of the whole qouted sentance with referance to 60MPH being the easier of the two readings to read on a MPH speedometer. 60mph is the closest to the NZ open road speedlimit and thus not 100kph! Kiwis obsession is that to be 100kph or faster means touching the bumper(almost) of the vehicle in front or over taking at the first oportunity and usually in a stupid place.	coldfront (15814)
1271046	2012-04-23 08:36:00	Btw, Had a chat today with the NZTA re this vehicle and even though it is on the Highway which is their responsibilty to enforcement of this infraction lies with the Police . The Police are uninterested in this vehicle despite the fact it is dangling $400 worth of Revenue for them . The person at the NZTA suggested to go beyond the constables and ask to speak to superior officer and tell them that their "collectors" are not interested in this vehicle . Of course we have a vehicle belonging to a friend who went overseas that still has not sold so might just put that on the road without rego and WOF and see how long it takes the fuzz to action that as well . Any further practical ideas to get this vehicle off the road most appreciated .	coldfront (15814)
1271047	2012-04-23 08:36:00	Open road National Speedlimit is 60mph! Check the Highway Code. Also use in context of the whole qouted sentance with referance to 60MPH being the easier of the two readings to read on a MPH speedometer. 60mph is the closest to the NZ open road speedlimit and thus not 100kph! Kiwis obsession is that to be 100kph or faster means touching the bumper(almost) of the vehicle in front or over taking at the first oportunity and usually in a stupid place. The open road speed limit in NZ is 100kmh you won't find MPH in our road rules that is why I was correcting you about the UK speed limit.	mikebartnz (21)
1271048	2012-04-23 09:15:00	The open road speed limit in NZ is 100kmh you won't find MPH in our road rules that is why I was correcting you about the UK speed limit. I think you misunderstood where I was angling with this referance in the earlier post. Drive at 90kph or any speed below 100kph and your going to get hounded by the 100kph or more must be brigade! They also tend to be the impatiant ones more willing to take risks and then whine about being caught speeding when they pass. With errors in speedometers that 10kph differance in speed is more noticable on a vehicle with KPH than MPH where the differance between 5mph is 8kph. There are a lot of imported cars still on the roads of NZ with Miles Per Hour on the speedometer you drive at 60mph your under the NZ speedlimit but by 4kph which tends to "upset" the 100 target must be brigade.	coldfront (15814)
1271049	2012-04-23 10:55:00	I think you misunderstood where I was angling with this referance in the earlier post. Drive at 90kph or any speed below 100kph and your going to get hounded by the 100kph or more must be brigade! They also tend to be the impatiant ones more willing to take risks and then whine about being caught speeding when they pass. With errors in speedometers that 10kph differance in speed is more noticable on a vehicle with KPH than MPH where the differance between 5mph is 8kph. There are a lot of imported cars still on the roads of NZ with Miles Per Hour on the speedometer you drive at 60mph your under the NZ speedlimit but by 4kph which tends to "upset" the 100 target must be brigade. I think you would find the vast majority of speedos will register under the 100kph and from what I heard it was something to do with that great suing machine in the States. I don't have a problem with someone doing 90kph in a 100kph area as long as they don't speed up when reaching a dual carriageway/ passing lane area. The Carterton straights is particularly bad for people doing that. Quite often I end up doing under 75kph along there and the plonkers that do that speed often carry on at that speed when they hit town. My speedo I discovered was telling lies after getting stopped once and warned and getting a ticket another time. I was doing 114kph when my speedo was saying 100kph. I ended up getting a Tom Tom as it was way cheaper than getting the speedo fixed. It would be interesting here if everyone that had a GPS would give their GPS and speedo readings.	mikebartnz (21)
1271050	2012-04-24 09:01:00	It would be interesting here if everyone that had a GPS would give their GPS and speedo readings . Not sure if I posted in this thread or the other but what you said about speedos reading higher than actually your correct on a very few read lower . Actually I have one and that was discovered thanks to the plod and confirmed with a Dynoroad test . The result though really got the tester puzzling over the cause with the reading consitancy not following what he was used to . GPS are not 100% reliable either we purchased a Garmin recently and ran it beside the Navman and some variations in speed reading where noted one change resulted completly randomly and showed a much higher speed without any acceleration . On three units we have run Tomtom, Navman and Garmin another notable issue was the showing of a stationary vehicle moving at between 0-8kph . Thats a Stationary vehicle! Three cars of the same model put through the dyno road all with correct tyres and pressure with variation of tread depth between 4-8mm . Results at 100kph came back as speedo reading 106kph, 97kph and 91kph it gets better at 50kph results came back at 50kph, 48kph and 40kph . Interesting on the variables one of the cars could incur a ticket on speeds of 70 to 100kph for speeding according to the speedometer . One the road I drive daily the one thing I notice is the go fast on the straights and when they hit the bends slow right down . Pretty annoying as they seem to wait until the end of the straight to pass! Very rare around the area a drive to find a cop sat at the side of the road in wait most catch speeders heading the opposite direction or when they fail to observe a blardy big sign reducing speed for a township .	coldfront (15814)
1271051	2012-04-24 23:31:00	I'm not a cyclist theses days, my several years old bike still looks brand new, but I used to be. What Johcar posted is true, bikes have never really triggered the lights, I can remember sitting at a red light at 2am for several minutes without seeing another car until I eventually rode through it. Other times I would hop onto the footpath and go around intersections rather than risk taking on the traffic. Personally I think we should cut cyclists some slack, providing they aren't endangering anyone or doing anything blatantly stupid. Sure the road rules apply to them too and they should obey them but who does it really hurt if they take a left turn without actually entering the car lane or use the footpath briefly. They are a lot more exposed than motorists and take a big risk just riding in traffic, roundabouts seem custom designed to kill cyclists if they attempt to obey the rules in busy times for example, you can't keep to the left because cars will cut you off and if you ride in the centre of the lane you are surrounded by cars and are holding people up. Motorists are impatient and intolerent of everyone else on the road but themselves. If you constantly find yourself fuming at what goes on around you maybe the problem is just as much with you. Just chill out, relax, and follow the road rules as best you can. Getting wound up at the stupidity of others does nothing for you. Sometimes I catch myself doing stuff I get annoyed at others for and realise it looks different from the other side. Very well put. I pretty much agree being a cyclist myself	gary67 (56)
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