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| Thread ID: 126590 | 2012-09-06 09:06:00 | Mircrosoft Office versions? | Fifthdawn (9467) | Press F1 |
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| 1299311 | 2012-09-08 13:10:00 | Yorick its very obvious that you like Open Office. Nothing wrong with that. What is disturbing is any one who says anything negative about open office or doesn't agree with your beliefs, it appears you take it personally. Get over yourself mate, Open Office is a good free program. But unlike yourself not everyone uses it, and as its been said by several others MS office is used more in Businesses than Oo. :groan::groan: |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1299312 | 2012-09-08 13:48:00 | Yorick its very obvious that you like Open Office. Nothing wrong with that. What is disturbing is any one who says anything negative about open office or doesn't agree with your beliefs, it appears you take it personally. Firsty I don't take it personally, never have. Secondly it's not about negative it's about being factually incorrect. That's not belief that's about fact and that's all I respond to. I wasn't attacking anyone's position I was merely answering a question for the OP Get over yourself mate, Open Office is a good free program. But unlike yourself not everyone uses it, and as its been said by several others MS office is used more in Businesses than Oo. Never denied that, but our market penetration is greater than 20% especially in Europe, unfortunately only about 5% in NZ. I'm not the one who needs to get over myself, methinks you need to look in the mirror. I just answered a question for someone and then you took a shot at me for not answering a question that I wasn't trying to answer. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do by your reckoning? Say nothing.. ever? Anyway, way off topic. |
Yorick (8120) | ||
| 1299313 | 2012-09-08 21:29:00 | Be calm, calm, calm. | bk T (215) | ||
| 1299314 | 2012-09-08 21:39:00 | Mentioned is : Secondly it's not about negative it's about being factually incorrect Please answer this, its a simple question, not hostile in any way. Last year I was talking to a person and someone had tried to convince them to try Open Office. Trying to save some money on purchasing Office they installed it on 2 PC's, 1 XP Pro and 1 Windows 7 Pro. On their server is hundreds of word documents ranging from Office 97-2003 creation saved as .doc. Any document they tried to open ( they tried at least 30) was either complete rubbish, and couldn't be read, or the layout and fonts were totally misplaced. They had already installed a trial of MS office on one other PC and it read the same files fine, so they went to their usual supplier and purchased several licences for MS office. Had Oo worked they would have gone with it, but they were not going to change hundreds of documents just to use a free program. Which is the exact symptoms that were posted in #21 That's a fact, so Why didn't Open Office read them correctly. ??? Edited: I forgot to mention their server is a version of Ubuntu Server - Not to sure which one as I was only talking to one of their staff and he didn't say. |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1299315 | 2012-09-09 01:57:00 | Just updated Open Office to "Apache Open Office". Can't fault it. Also have MS Office and Kingston? Office but prefer Open Office spread sheet. MS is probably better with Power Point. Avoid Word so haven't tested it much. | mzee (3324) | ||
| 1299316 | 2012-09-09 03:17:00 | Mentioned is : Please answer this, its a simple question, not hostile in any way . Last year I was talking to a person and someone had tried to convince them to try Open Office . Trying to save some money on purchasing Office they installed it on 2 PC's, 1 XP Pro and 1 Windows 7 Pro . On their server is hundreds of word documents ranging from Office 97-2003 creation saved as . doc . Any document they tried to open ( they tried at least 30) was either complete rubbish, and couldn't be read, or the layout and fonts were totally misplaced . They had already installed a trial of MS office on one other PC and it read the same files fine, so they went to their usual supplier and purchased several licences for MS office . Had Oo worked they would have gone with it, but they were not going to change hundreds of documents just to use a free program . Which is the exact symptoms that were posted in #21 That's a fact, so Why didn't Open Office read them correctly . ??? Edited: I forgot to mention their server is a version of Ubuntu Server - Not to sure which one as I was only talking to one of their staff and he didn't say . Frequently these issues are caused by font problems and moreso when using via a linux box . Probably find less problems with OOo / LO running on a Windows box . The problem is caused by the licensing of MS fonts, that's the standard ones: Arial, Verdana, Times new Roman and Courier . There are a few others that aren't used as commonly: Comic Sans, Franklin and so on . The issue is that MS won't allow the use/distribution under an open source license . Linux Distros for the most part default to open fonts the most common being the Bitstream Open Fonts: Vera and Deja Vu . When a word processor displays a document it does a couple of things programmatically, it checks the font names and then searches in the OS font directory for that font to display . If it doesn't find it, it displays the font type instead, ie Sans Serif, Serif, script or monospace using the Operating system default whatever it may be . In XP default is Serif= Times New Roman, Sans = Arial, in Ubuntu I think, though I may be wrong, that its the Nimbus family . RedHat uses the Liberation family which is basically an updated version of the Bitstream Open Fonts . That in itself causes issues because the width weight and kerning of fonts of the same height varies considerably . Arial for instance is quite condensed compared to Bitstream Vera Sans or Helvetica . Where it gets trickier is when people use fonts that haven't come through the Big Font Forge Quality assurance like Adobe and so on . Ofttimes headers are screwed up and that's where you end up with jumbled crap and rows of little rectangles . It all sounds like a nightmare, the fix however is generally pretty simple . Corporates do it, govt departments do it, any large organisation does it and any ISS department worth it's enormous salary will have a default document pallet in place . So that there is a defined set of fonts that are used in all documents in the organisation . It's part of the corporate brand . Then it doesn't matter what OS you use, all you have to do is make sure that every machine has the critical set of fonts and the font directories are locked down with administrator access only . That generally cures 80% of the problems . It is not an OpenOffice problem that's a systemic problem . It's exactly the same issue that an XP box with MSO 2K on it, would have with documents produced in Office 12 . MSO12 uses a different set of default fonts that are not in XP as standard . With the problem you describe above I would have one Windows Box with a single MSO license and use it as a file server on a Samba network . It would have a prescribed set of fonts on it that is on every machine in the system, probably the Deja Vu family, it has an open license and is easily obtained cost free . If then there is a difficulty, then it's a simple matter of opening the problem document in MSO 2K, changing the font to the required type and resaving . The other twenty percent however probably relates to some bits of MSO that OOo doesn't handle well, tables are the big one . On the other hand IBM Symphony handles MSO tables quite well and if they can do without Draw and Base, then it's a great alternative . Our biggest issue is we have to back engineer everything because MS won't publish their file specifications . They did publish one lot: ooxml, but none of MS products use it, their own spec?? Although apparently it will be the default format in Office 13, Office 13 will also be able to handle ODF . I've seen some of the work done on the MS ODF plugin in Office 12 and it's very impressive, excellent fidelity, but not surprising because it is fully open and an ISO standard . I downloaded and installed Kingsoft Office on a Windows partition I have and I can see where they got their inspiration from, the UI is almost identical to Symphony, right down to the Tabbed document interface . Only you can't have a spreadsheet on one tab and a WP doc on another like Symphony . However according to the Kingsoft EULA you're not allowed to use the free version in a business environment (personal use only) or install it on more than one machine . |
Yorick (8120) | ||
| 1299317 | 2012-09-09 07:28:00 | Not going to Quote what was written - no need. That would explain why a few documents I have here created in MS Office 2007 wont read correctly on Open office. The Check boxes within the documents in Oo show as a Japanese symbol of some kind. Not knowing Japanese I have no Idea what it says. They do display as original in Kingsoft office. Re the EULA - thats why I got the professional version after trying it for 30 days. Note: If a person wants the Ribbon Interface they have to buy Std or Pro A segment of the EULA for Standard and Pro Section 2: 2. You shall abide by the following obligations 2) Only run the “Product” on three computers of which you have the ownership. 3. a. It is expressly authorized by Kingsoft that the “Product” may be used in a multi-users circumstance or network system. On the funny Side :) While hunting out the EULA, came across the following for the Sonic Player "(3) The Product is not designed, licensed or intended for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility" Okayyyyyyyyyyyyyy ;) :D |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1299318 | 2012-09-09 10:21:00 | Good discussion.... have changed from OOffice to Kingsoft ... very impressed | cowboy stu (7021) | ||
| 1299319 | 2012-09-09 11:05:00 | Not going to Quote what was written - no need . That would explain why a few documents I have here created in MS Office 2007 wont read correctly on Open office . [/quote ] Yea we did put out an extension that dealt with the docx issue but it never made it into the core . LibreOffice put it in however and symphony works well . AOO does it now but won't save as . [Quote ] _ The Check boxes within the documents in Oo show as a Japanese symbol of some kind . Not knowing Japanese I have no Idea what it says . They do display as original in Kingsoft office . Re the EULA - thats why I got the professional version after trying it for 30 days . Note: If a person wants the Ribbon Interface they have to buy Std or Pro I've always been ambivalent about the ribbon . The best use of it I've seen is with a 4:3 screen used in portrait . It never seemed to work well on 16:9 . I can see however that one could get good with it . A segment of the EULA for Standard and Pro Section 2: 2 . You shall abide by the following obligations 2) Only run the “Product” on three computers of which you have the ownership . 3 . a . It is expressly authorized by Kingsoft that the “Product” may be used in a multi-users circumstance or network system . On the funny Side :) While hunting out the EULA, came across the following for the Sonic Player "(3) The Product is not designed, licensed or intended for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility" Okayyyyyyyyyyyyyy ;) :D LOL that's typical US paranoia, I love it . |
Yorick (8120) | ||
| 1299320 | 2012-09-10 01:55:00 | I just bought Office 2010 University which is actually Office Professional 2010 when you start the install for which you must have a valid university email address.It cost $136.85 at PB Henderson and for that price I'm not going to look at anything else since years of using office ties you to it and the price seems to of come down alot compared to what it used to be.Damn good value I reckon and it's a two user license too.So find somebody with a uni email address and it's save yourself hundreds of $$$$$'s. | Koenig Tiger (14621) | ||
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