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Thread ID: 124737	2012-05-16 07:24:00	Super Sensitive?	Tony (4941)	PC World Chat

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1275677	2012-05-17 04:04:00	It amazes me that there can still be people like this in today's world. It's not hard to look up a few scientific facts if you missed it all at school. But people persist in wanting to believe stuff. Ghosts, gods, "energies", crystals, magnets, alien abductions, herbal "cures", animal part "cures", and so on. They are nutjobs. But Taniwhas exist, don't they??	Marnie (4574)
1275678	2012-05-17 06:03:00	Every electrical device gives of EMF. Some alarm sensors will give off more than others, but even the ones that give off the most, would still be barely detectable with even very sensitive EMF metering equipment (an alarm sensor that uses microwave to detect movement will give off more). Ask her if she can feel EMF from the electrical cables in her walls, or television or radio transmission signals. As someone has suggested, it's pretty likely that it's psycho-semantic. I'd disable the LED's on her alarm sensors, tell here that they are 'off' and ask her if she can feel it. I'm an alarm tech, and I've dealt with some nutjobs in my time (not suggesting that she is a nutjob). One person told me that their movement sensors talked to them.	pine-o-cleen (2955)
1275679	2012-05-17 07:08:00	But Taniwhas exist, don't they?? Yes. They all have voracious appetites for large quantities of coin of the realm.	WalOne (4202)
1275680	2012-05-17 07:45:00	Every electrical device gives of EMF. Some alarm sensors will give off more than others, but even the ones that give off the most, would still be barely detectable with even very sensitive EMF metering equipment (an alarm sensor that uses microwave to detect movement will give off more). As someone has suggested, it's pretty likely that it's psycho-semantic. I'd disable the LED's on her alarm sensors, tell here that they are 'off' and ask her if she can feel it. Precisely my thoughts!	Chilling_Silence (9)
1275681	2012-05-17 10:38:00	Funny, today at the SeniorNet / Age Concern open day, spoke to a woman who thinks that wi-fi connections go through your body and cause damage to your internal organs. I asked her if she felt ok, and was she worried that within the immediate vicinity of the building there were five wireless networks? Later I noticed that she still had not left, but in fact is enrolling in two of our courses, iPads, and Smartphones which both use our wireless to connect to, in the room in which we teach. She also does not listen to the radio or use a microwave. Doh! That just makes no sense! LL	lakewoodlady (103)
1275682	2012-05-17 10:49:00	Precisely my thoughts! Take a look Here (www.es-uk.info) if you want to see how far people go with this. Dig deeper into the website to get the broader picture. I have clients who claim that their energy is drained from them when they get near a wifi unit; who are terrified of cellsites on distant hills; who swear they can feel the power in their house burning them up, and those suffering from all sorts of symptoms, but I often find that they walk outside in areas where RF from all sources (radio, TV, microwave from both orbiting and geostationary satellite transmitters such as Sky, Freeview, GPS networks, Communications, Military, Navigational, and who knows what else, plus microwave energy from space itself are all omnipresent, plus undergound or overhead power lines, yet they don't seem to feel a thing; -but that neighbour's wifi!!!!! Some people do get sensitised to electromagnetic energy and develop rashes etc, but they are few and far between, the rest I believe are victims of their own over-stimulated imaginations. Their symptoms are in fact quite genuine and their discomfort very real, but the source lies within their psyche and they are victims of their own subconscious. It is possible to relieve some people's symptoms by 'finding a source' and 'fixing it' but the rest are like the native cursed by a witchdoctor, who then simply curls up and dies. Their belief structure literally kills them. Some I help simply by first listening to them, then searching and finding nothing, but appearing to, then offering sincere and scientifically genuine advice. It is not a major source of work for me, in fact it is often more trouble than it is worth, but they find me by word of mouth and usually won't take no for an answer. Don't call me, I'll call you.......... Cheers Billy 8-{) :illogical That said, I regard the personal use of cellphones as a moderate risk factor, with the TDMA network being more aggressive than Telecom CDMA and its later variants. I use my cellphone as little as possible because it does represent an abnormal level of RF radiation that society has never before experienced. Calls longer than a few minutes do lead to significant microwave heating in your brain. That much is fact.	Billy T (70)
1275683	2012-05-17 11:53:00	So I guess "feeling" my head being weird after a cell phone conversation may show I am sensitive to the RF ! And not all of us are nut cases - the asbestos debate probably started in a similar way to this conversation about sensitivity to certain "pollutants". I guess I am more open to believing something is not right, rather than writing off people who say they can feel something that has not YET been measured "scientifically".	ellpow (16400)
1275684	2012-05-17 12:12:00	It's not that anyone is denying any possible effects, just that we are very sceptical about people who claim to feel something the rest of us cannot and then appear to only "feel" those things they have noticed while missing all the other sources of radiation they don't know about or haven't considered. If they truly feel this sort of radiation it would not be so selective and they'd feel it all around them all the time in varying strengths. The cellphone on your head is a little different, at that range it's a lot more RF beaming directly through your skull than any of the other sources discussed here. There have been some suggestions that cellphones are a contributing factor in some brain tumours and that it might be better to use an earpiece than hold a phone up to your head for extended periods. This is unproven also but has a bit more credence than sensing RF fields.	dugimodo (138)
1275685	2012-05-18 08:47:00	She should move here - en.wikipedia.org www.bbc.co.uk When the NZPO first opened the Warkworth satellite station, there was talk of banning microwave ovens locally, but nothing came of it.	decibel (11645)
1275686	2012-05-18 11:28:00	...It is possible to relieve some people's symptoms by 'finding a source' and 'fixing it' but the rest are like the native cursed by a witchdoctor, who then simply curls up and dies. Their belief structure literally kills them.... See, I don't think validating their beliefs is helping them at all. I think it's making their illness more real to them.	pine-o-cleen (2955)
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