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| Thread ID: 124716 | 2012-05-15 00:20:00 | No Jobs, or no tradespeople? | mzee (3324) | PC World Chat |
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| 1275482 | 2012-05-16 23:24:00 | So, is this what you really want for your kids? tvnz.co.nz |
tuiruru (12277) | ||
| 1275483 | 2012-05-16 23:36:00 | So, is this what you really want for your kids? tvnz.co.nz Im good with it. Can't see any difference between 2 extra kids per class, surely they can handle that? Numbers don't seem high before or after the adjustment. Not hiring, Good business sense, Why hire staff at a higher level then the growth in work load? If it were their own money they sure as hell wouldn't be doing it. Over staffing isn't justifiable. Pity they need an outside body to point out how to be smart. Performance pay, Higher minimum level of education, Excellent, Plenty of twats need to be pushed out of the system, Lets hope this breaks the back of the protection racket that teachers run. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1275484 | 2012-05-17 01:40:00 | The acceptable teacher/pupil ratio depends on the caliber of the students. If the class mainly consists of pupils who wish to learn, then 30 to a class is not a problem. Others should be in a "B" or "C" class which can be smaller with a special teacher who has infinite patience and understanding. I tried teaching for a while but it drove me up the wall! | mzee (3324) | ||
| 1275485 | 2012-05-17 01:54:00 | Also the level of kids at schools is not constant, it changes every year, goes in cycles i believe | Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1275486 | 2012-05-17 07:21:00 | From Metla "Can't see any difference between 2 extra kids per class," The teacher/pupil ratio is an "across the board" figure.. Putting it simply, if on pupil numbers, a school is entitled to X teachers and that divides out to 27 point whatever kids per class, then everything is hunky dory as far as "they" are concerned. But then if you start 'shaving" individual teacher's classroom contact time for admin/other purposes, the kids that they would have taught, but can't now because thy are generating the required paper work for NCEA, have to be,what is it "they" say? , oh, I remember cos I used to have had to do this, "absorbed" into another class - so you can quite easily end up with a class of 35! Then, of course, there are the required reduced class sizes for kids that have special needs (which is quite right) and those kids at the lower end of the academic scale that don't qualify as "special needs" have to be re-assigned. So, although, on the face of it, the government says it's only a couple of kids here and there the reality is that, secondary schools at least, end up with classes of 30+. Teaching period times in secondary schools vary, but divide 30+ students into a teaching time of less than an hour, minus getting the class into the room, settling them down, outlining the lesson expectations and the desired outcomes, and you get an idea of how much "teacher time' your child gets. Goodness only knows how they cope in junior schools!! The Govt is touting "quality over quantity" - the quantifying and judging of that is a whole new, big can of worms!! |
tuiruru (12277) | ||
| 1275487 | 2012-05-17 07:39:00 | Also the level of kids at schools is not constant, it changes every year, goes in cycles i believe lol couples should be encouraged to make kids in an orderly fashion not when ever they get the urge. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1275488 | 2012-05-17 08:35:00 | From the past, everywhere I've been it is well known and accepted that 30 kids in a class is too many, 25 or so is much better and that is with the headmaster having the cane to back up the teacher. NZ is on a disaster course listening to the silly americans (lower case deliberately chosen), politically, economically and now socially. |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 1275489 | 2012-05-17 09:29:00 | We had a slightly different system in England, infants school 5 to 7 years old, primary school 7 to 11 years, and secondary schools 11 to school leaving age. Digging out my old school reports shows that class sizes in Primary school were between 37 and 44. In Grammar school classes were between 32 and 35. Can't say we suffered from poor teaching due to class sizes, but then our teachers were first rate, especially those returning to teaching , or taking up teaching after war service. They could handle those numbers with ease. In Grammar school the only teachers not having a degree in their subjects were the two PE teachers and the woodwork teacher, and maybe the girls' domestic science teacher. The classes in the infants school were pretty big too owing to wartime teacher shortages, but I dont have any figures. Then again the teaching methods were quite different. We all sat in rows of desks, not allowed to wander around or talk, learnt by repetition and rote in primary school, and yet we all had individual attention especially for reading and maths. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1275490 | 2012-05-17 09:54:00 | Rose tinted. | Metla (12) | ||
| 1275491 | 2012-05-17 10:27:00 | Kids don't learn **** all at school these days. Half of them can't do basic mathematics without a calculator. | QW. (15883) | ||
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