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Thread ID: 124716	2012-05-15 00:20:00	No Jobs, or no tradespeople?	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1275462	2012-05-15 04:35:00	Hmmm, I'd say that can be pretty close to a trade. Trades aren't just to do with assembling buildings. No qualification, Therefore not a qualified trade. Viable worthy careers? Sure. There just isn't a prescribed educational path into them, Nor a level of achievement that earns a title.	Metla (12)
1275463	2012-05-15 04:51:00	They certainly need to be taught more about money and its management.	mikebartnz (21)
1275464	2012-05-15 06:59:00	Half the teachers are ****ing useless. They graduate from teachers college knowing how to teach, yet when they start teaching at school they no nothing. Teachers still have half days off to go and learn about NCEA or whatever. I would have thought they would have been taught this at Teachers College. Most of the teachers only give a stuff about those who are doing well in the class. Those that are struggling are left out and don't learn anything at all.	QW. (15883)
1275465	2012-05-15 19:31:00	No qualification, Therefore not a qualified trade. . Hah, lots of trades needed have quals as such once upon a time. They had apprentice schemes. I mean ages ago, not in the last 50 years. It's become the fashion for everything to require a course.	pctek (84)
1275466	2012-05-16 03:34:00	Hah, lots of trades needed have quals as such once upon a time. They had apprentice schemes. I mean ages ago, not in the last 50 years. It's become the fashion for everything to require a course. They had apprentice schemes less than fifty years ago. They were good as most of it was hands on rather than doing a course with little hands on like today.	mikebartnz (21)
1275467	2012-05-16 06:29:00	The education system is the same as it was 80 years ago, churning out University students and labourers . Only problem, we don't need labourers any more! I don't entirely agree, University is an integral part of the education system, and its job is to turn out graduates, not all of whom end up productive members of society unfortunately, but the same can be said for any level of education . Our education system is also turning out a wide range of professionals (not all of whom need a University degree to be professional in their occupation) plus tradespeople and whole pile of other employment classifications much needed by our society . You may not think about them right now, but you'd sure miss them if they all vanished overnight . All the education system needs to do is to focus on teaching kids how to learn, because what they learn is relatively unimportant beyond the 3 R's, and once they know the basics they'll keep on learning for the rest of their lives . Nothing I do today is related in any way to my schooling, in fact I only use two of the R's, I never did get the hang of the third one, but technology sorted that for me . I get into a lot of workplaces and I meet some incredibly smart people of all ages, but not too many have a tertiary education . Sure there's a need to improve educational outcomes, but a heck of a lot of the responsibility for that lies with the parents, not the kids . They will only ever be as good as the nurturing and caring they get, the discipline they learn, and above all, the examples they are set . First and foremost, kids are the product of their parenting and by the time they get to school they are very definitely aligned down their future path . Mrs T works in a Child Care Centre, and the number of undisciplined, kicking, biting, disrespectful and downright nasty kids that arrive at ages as young as two or three is mind boggling . Three weeks of normal discipline, consequences for actions, no means no, time out, and loss of privilege turns them around, every single one of them, and their parents can't understand how it was achieved . These are the kids of professional and semi-professional adults for heavens sakes, not some under privileged kids from no-mans land, south of wherever . If they are that buggered up by their parenting at preschool age, when their minds are still pretty much a blank canvas, what chance do they ever have of becoming a useful member of society? If kids are taught nothing more than values and consequences, everything else will fall into line, even if it takes them 20 years to get there . Our kids were born with a plastic spoon in their mouth, not silver, but good guidance, no means no, and a solid supportive education produced a first Class Honours Degree for a boy who didn't learn how to write 'academic english' until his last year at Uni, and his rather more diligent sister on the way to completing her Masters . As parents we can only claim credit for the direction, not the outcomes, but without direction we could just as easily had one in Mt eden and another on the streets of South Auckland . Intelligence and money have nothing to do with it, the streets are littered with intelligent bums who had every opportunity that money could buy, but none of the parenting, the leadership and examples that money can't . Billy	Billy T (70)
1275468	2012-05-16 06:43:00	No qualification, Therefore not a qualified trade. Viable worthy careers? Sure. There just isn't a prescribed educational path into them, Nor a level of achievement that earns a title.Last time I checked painting was a trade	plod (107)
1275469	2012-05-16 06:53:00	Last time I checked painting was a trade where did you check? Anyone can call themselves a painter. Perhaps my definition of a trade is a little bit off? I'd rank them right along side a shovel hand, except being a shovel hand requires more skill and ability.	Metla (12)
1275470	2012-05-16 07:06:00	where did you check? Anyone can call themselves a painter. Perhaps my definition of a trade is a little bit off? I'd rank them right along side a shovel hand, except being a shovel hand requires more skill and ability. had two mates doing painting and decorating apprenticeships the same time I did mine. Check out masterpainters.co.nz	plod (107)
1275471	2012-05-16 07:29:00	meh. Painter and Decorator - How to get into this job Kaipeita/Kaiwhakapaipai Whare Entry Requirements There are no specific entry requirements to become a painter and decorator as you learn skills on the job. However, you can do an apprenticeship and gain a National Certificate in Painting through DecorateNZ (the painting and decorating industry training organisation). Apprentices must do between 5,000 and 6,000 hours (three to four years) of on-the-job training, attend block courses, and complete workbooks for assessment. Is it worth doing an apprenticeship?....None of the painters I know get paid very well, and no matter what their background they all ride to the site in the same van, do the same work, and take home similar coin.	Metla (12)
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