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Thread ID: 125202	2012-06-13 17:25:00	New Zealand's Pacific Nation Identity Enigma? :spit	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1281454	2012-06-13 17:25:00	Here in the US -- although there are a flurry (albeit not a long lasting) of incremental jumps in onshore manufacturing returning to the Continental US, it never seems to last long and the manufacturing slips out under the doorjamb and winds up offshore again - sooner than later in most cases . Case in point: The Wham-O Toy Corp . , which returned to the US and was promised non-union right-to-work status, it quickly became a unionized hotbed and went down the long drop again . The latest rumor has it that they moved to Mexico, having been in Taiwan . The hue and cry thus generated concerns knee-jerk claims of exploitation - not only of the people in offshore facilities, but the environment and the ecological destruction from the nasty and dangerous chemicals and range-free thinking that since they are so far away from humanity (more on that in my next tirade) that what happens 'there' isn't going to impact the 'rest of the world' - anyway --- maybe . Current problem: the international companies that are forced to operate IN the US (Me: boo-hoo), making objects that are of offshore design and using offshore raw materials may NOT be required to meet OSHA or EPA standards IN the US and they, by license can back pedal to the rules of their own land - if there were any in the first place . :\ So when it's 'leader' sells out to multinational corporations and black-bags it's campaign promises --- well, read on::: WASHINGTON -- A critical document from President Barack Obama's free trade negotiations with EIGHT PACIFIC NATIONS (caps mine, you'll see why if you continue reading) was leaked online early Wednesday morning, revealing that the administration intends to bestow radical new political powers upon multinational corporations, contradicting prior promises . The leaked document has been posted on the website of Public Citizen, a long-time critic of the administration's trade objectives . The new leak follows substantial controversy surrounding the secrecy of the talks, in which some members of Congress have complained they are not being given the same access to trade documents that corporate officials receive . "The outrageous stuff in this leaked text may well be why U . S . trade officials have been so extremely secretive about these past two years of [trade] negotiations," said Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch in a written statement . Here's the kicker:::: The terms run contrary to campaign promises issued by Obama and the Democratic Party during the 2008 campaign . "We will not negotiate bilateral trade agreements that stop the government from protecting the environment, food safety, or the health of its citizens; give greater rights to foreign investors than to U . S . investors; require the privatization of our vital public services; or prevent developing country governments from adopting humanitarian licensing policies to improve access to life-saving medications," reads the campaign document . Yet nearly all of those vows are violated by the leaked Trans-Pacific document . The one that is not contravened in the present document -- regarding access to life-saving medication -- is in conflict with a previously leaked document on intellectual property (IP) standards . OK - so now (and if youse guys have read this far) ::: Are youse guys one of the Eight Pacific Nations?	SurferJoe46 (51)
1281455	2012-06-13 22:28:00	(snip) OK - so now (and if youse guys have read this far) ::: Are youse guys one of the Eight Pacific Nations? Indeed we are bending over and spreading our cheeks once again for the Yanks. Typical behaviour for this government which knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing: www.nzherald.co.nz	John H (8)
1281456	2012-06-14 00:32:00	Indeed we are bending over and spreading our cheeks once again for the Yanks. Typical behaviour for this government which knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing: www.nzherald.co.nz I just read that whole thing. A bit sticky - huh? Nasty really. But it looks like Australia is the only one raising concerns and possibly legal solutions to the overhanded pressure from the 'oil companies'.	SurferJoe46 (51)
1281457	2012-06-14 01:07:00	(snip) it looks like Australia is the only one raising concerns and possibly legal solutions to the overhanded pressure from the 'oil companies'. Exactly. Our government just lay down and rolled over in the Kim Dotcom situation and let the US of A walk all over our legal conventions, and even worse, it is doing the same here.	John H (8)
1281458	2012-06-14 01:22:00	That is not all...... "About 20 US senators have put pressure on US President Barack Obama to take a hard line on drug buying agencies such as Pharmac during TransPacific Partnership (TPP) trade talks, because they claim they hurt the big US drug companies." tvnz.co.nz We are likely to be surrendering our sovereignty in deciding as to where we buy our medicines. It the trade deal goes ahead it is likely we shall be forced to buy from the multinational drug companies at their prices.	Terry Porritt (14)
1281459	2012-06-14 03:08:00	Funny really, Bill Sutch warned that this would happen in his books in the 1960's. Of course the government of the day called him a communist, and the SIS later (and incompetently) persecuted him, claiming he was a Russian spy, but his predictions about how NZ was losing its sovereignty to multi national corporations have come true. In fact, the situation is worse than he dreamed about.	John H (8)
1281460	2012-06-14 03:32:00	How's that government working out for youse guys - huh? I hear it all the time: "Wait until we can get a GOOD president in, then it'll get better!" Uh huh. Yuppers! Thousands of years of total political-religious fiascoes and nobody notices that it's a striving for the wind.	SurferJoe46 (51)
1281461	2012-06-14 03:56:00	Our government is like when youse guys had Reagan (sp?) and Britain had Thatcher in power. I could never understand how there could be so many gullible people in such important nations, who thought that the Pres/PM were wonderful people who would lead them out of the wilderness. The electorate here keeps giving our PM a huge mandate, largely because he smiles a lot (as far as I can see). He is only delivering policies that benefit his mates, yet nobody seems to notice. When you had Reagan/Britain had Thatcher, and we had a failed pig farmer as our Finance Minister, we got market economics and the return of a "survival of the fittest" social and economic policy. Same as Britain now, with those "nice" young boys from posh private schools giving all their mates the breaks, whilst closing libraries, cutting pensions, and slashing and burning the health and education systems that benefit the poorer parts of society. After all, if the poorer people use education as a leg up out of the lower classes, who knows what could happen? The perennial ruling classes might have a challenge on their hands. We too have a "nice" young man at the helm, and it is taking a hell of a long time for the voters to wake up to the fact that the niceness covers someone (like Thatcher) who has been able to use all the freebies of the Welfare State (e.g. solo parent benefit and State House for his mother, and free or subsidised education) to get a leg up, who is hell bent on closing the door behind him. We have just witnessed the unedifying spectacle of our 'nice' PM and the 'nice' English PM pissing in each others pockets during Queenie's Jamboree (which was of course paid for by taxpayers who are losing their libraries in the poorer parts of London at least. Sadly we don't have anything much better in the "official" Opposition in Parliament. Their economic philosophy is much the same as John Boy's - "we have done all right from the Welfare State, but we can't afford it now, so stuff you". Strangely, it seems to be the Green Party that is the only effective Opposition left in Parliament. The Maori Party are in bed with the governing Tories.	John H (8)
1281462	2012-06-14 04:30:00	Our government is like when youse guys had Reagan (sp?) and Britain had Thatcher in power . I could never understand how there could be so many gullible people in such important nations, who thought that the Pres/PM were wonderful people who would lead them out of the wilderness . The electorate here keeps giving our PM a huge mandate, largely because he smiles a lot (as far as I can see) . He is only delivering policies that benefit his mates, yet nobody seems to notice . Nepotism and it's dichotomous twin - simony, have been the passwords and secret handshakes of the star chambers of the world since Julius Caesar and we all know how THAT worked out - right? Fiddle away people! If one holds their hand on their buttock, before things get better they'll have a skin graft .	SurferJoe46 (51)
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