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Thread ID: 125150	2012-06-09 10:23:00	Manners maketh the prospective son-in-law???....	ReefRunner (16049)	PC World Chat

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1280844	2012-06-10 21:37:00	Fact is, you don't pctek, but good manners were ingrained in some of us from an early age and we do those things out of respect and consideration toward others, not because of some perceived or mythical inferiority/superiority complex, archaic or otherwise. However, I suspect that you would probably mutter something under your breath about ignorant bast**ds if you were trampled underfoot by a hoard of rampant rugby fans, or some young kids barged past you in a queue. Courtesy may be considered old-fashioned, but as some of us were taught, it is neither demeaning nor an indication of weakness or inferiority in any way, it is simply politeness and respect for elders and others, male or female as the circumstances may dictate. If some young kid barged past Mrs Metla and knocked her down, or pushed her aside to queue-jump, I am damned sure that Metla would not let that go by, but why not? By his declared standards it is perfectly acceptable for some young kid or even an old bast**d to be disrespectful or discourteous to his wife. As for the stairs issue, I understand that well. For medical reasons Mrs T is very slow on stairs, both up and down, and mindful of her slowness, whenever possible we let others go first. Generally speaking she is treated with great kindness and respect by males of all ages, and I have to say that young schoolboys and polynesian schoolboys in particular are generally very polite and helpful. Their female counterparts are more in the Visigoth mould. Heaven forbid that we end up in an "every person for themselves" society, where nobody gives a damn about simple courtesies and shows zero respect for the views or beliefs of others. Last time that attitude ran through history we ended up with 'vandals' and 'vandalism' as new words in our lexicon especially to describe utter disrespect for people and property, with Huns and Visigoths folllowing not far behind. If my daugher had a boyfriend who wore such a hat and declined to remove it, we'd probably have dropped them both off at McDonalds and gone home, however in reality it would never come to that, because she would have sorted it long before it got to that stage. It would be a simple 'me or the hat' choice, and not as an ultimatum either, it would have been a considered decision, and final. We are all entitled to choose, to suit ourselves, the standards by which we wish to live, but we don't have to invite to join us those whose standards are incompatible with the way in which we live our lives, or who have no ability to understand the difference. It is called freedom of choice, and it cuts both ways. Cheers Billy 8-{) As usual Billy, a very reasoned and cogent response :thumbs:	tuiruru (12277)
1280845	2012-06-10 21:40:00	I In North Africa before WW2 the men used to walk in front with the woman behind carrying the baggage. After the war this was changed to the Woman in front because of the land mines! :)	tuiruru (12277)
1280846	2012-06-10 21:42:00	As usual Billy, a very reasoned and cogent response :thumbs: Only if you ignore the dumb bits.	Metla (12)
1280847	2012-06-10 21:48:00	Only if you ignore the dumb bits. What's with you these days Metla? You're like a bear with a sore head :) I think both Chill and Billy T have given reasoned and tolerant summations.	WalOne (4202)
1280848	2012-06-10 22:07:00	What's with you these days Metla? You're like a bear with a sore head :) I think both Chill and Billy T have given reasoned and tolerant summations. I consider anyone that would try and draw a comparison to the wearing of a hat and pushing a women down a flight of stairs to be a bit deluded. Or maybe I really need to find employment. HA.	Metla (12)
1280849	2012-06-10 22:09:00	As usual Billy, a very reasoned and cogent response :thumbs: I, too, heartily agree with Billy and the others who stand up for good manners. It is very noticeable, these days, that good manners appear to be in decline. How sad. We were always taught that lack of manners went hand in hand with poor upbringing. SWMBO and I always instilled good manners in our children and their good manners were often remarked upon. In our household you recieved nothing, recieved permission to go nowhere without please and thankyou. There were no grey areas. It was manners or nothing. Our eldest daughter is a teacher and she instills the good behaviour and good manners she learnt in her childhood to the classes she teaches. She has a reputation for having the best behaved and best mannered class in the school. It makes teaching - and learning - a much better and enlightening experience for all concerned. Good manners are an essential part of our behaviour and should second nature to everyone. Removing your hat inside - especially at the dining table - is but a small part of the good manners we should all posses.	Roscoe (6288)
1280850	2012-06-10 22:10:00	All this waffle, and none of it considers the fact that no one has any grounds for finding a hat offensive (the entire notion is quite mad), nor the right to enforce a dress code on other persons. Break the bonds people, Just because you were told to believe something doesn't make it so. I can see how religion gets a hold on people if this rubbish about hats gets locked in so easily.	Metla (12)
1280851	2012-06-10 23:43:00	I was always taught it was so you could clearly see somebodies eye, which is generally associated with having a decent conversation with somebody, much in the same way you would remove sunglasses (But not prescription glasses) inside.	Chilling_Silence (9)
1280852	2012-06-11 00:10:00	. I can see how religion gets a hold on people if this rubbish about hats gets locked into so easily . We'll put that down to a typo . . Signed: The Grammar Police	tuiruru (12277)
1280853	2012-06-11 00:14:00	I was always taught it was so you could clearly see somebody's eyes, . We'll put that down to a typo as well.. Gotta be consistent or Metla will start feeling marginalised :D Signed: The Grammar Police Hey, we could swing this whole thread around to the question of correct grammar, sentence construction and spelling. After al that's another, (some would no doubt say b******t way of assessing someone's mettle (www.merriam-webster.com)(as distinct from "metal")!!	tuiruru (12277)
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