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Thread ID: 21789 2002-07-04 01:44:00 prssF1 readers vote tweak'e (174) Press F1
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59719 2002-07-05 20:29:00 The readers vote is completely meaningless. A person can only vote for a computer or program or whatever that he actualy has used.
If you vote for what you have it means you like it. If not you don't vote.
So the biggest sellers have the most users and so must attract the most votes.
This means Microsoft wins again.
To mean anything there should be provision to vote also for the worst. And the votes must be scaled to the number of items sold.
I know a young chap who a few years ago voted for Microsoft as the best office suite. I knew he didn't have this program and I asked him why he voted for it. He replied it was the best because MS had sent him some advertising material telling him how good it was.
To justify the money I spend on software, I MUST say that what I have is the best.
Alternatively what I don't have is the worst.
Still it helps Kris & co. fill up the magazine.
Cheers,
Jack 		Jack (490)
59720 2002-07-06 02:30:00 "The readers vote is completely meaningless". In fact, any post-in, email-in, phone-in, mail-in, etc-in "poll" is completely meaningless. That is technically called a "self-selected sample".

"Properly conducted" randomly sampled opinion polls are not always very meaningful either. It depends on how ethically the questions are written. The Canterbury Regional Council had a survey made of bus users. One of the questions was 'Would you like a simpler, easier to understand fare structure?". Of course they got the answer they wanted. Everyone wants a a simpler easier to understand fare structure. ;-) What we are getting is a one-level fare (instead of two), and a halving of the time a ticket can be used for the return trip. Nobody wants a 200% to 400% fare increase . The survey didn't ask that. ]:) 		Graham L (2)
59721 2002-07-06 12:35:00 Thanks Mike and Mutts, reading both posts and both make sense, and yes, Me is cheapest at around $80 compared with $160 for 98SE, second hand. So tis back to the drawing board, but the things against Me sound pretty reasonable as well. supergran (108)
59722 2002-07-06 16:04:00 Hi ya supergran,

I ran ME for about a year and I dont think it crashed once. I did have the odd problem with it, but they were all stupid things I had done to it. Its fairly bulletproof.

In saying that, generally speaking, users that have no troubles with ME have done a clean instal. (ie. wipe hard drive and instal) It appears that if you try to upgrade your existing to ME (over writing) thats what causes the conflicts.

Give it a go and good luck, :) 		*Sparky* (311)
59723 2002-07-07 09:28:00 > >
> > I prefer ME over 98SE anyday . Why? Because I
> never
> > had trouble with ME, yet I had problems (albeit
> > occasionally) with 98SE . There seems to be plenty
> of
> > people who do not like ME, but I've never managed
> to
> > get a straight answer out of anyone as to why they
> > tell people to stay away from it .
>
> ok heres a straight answer with an example
> ME was a bad attempt at trying new technology, 95 and
> 98 have stuck around and been there for years, yes
> they do have their problems but reasonbly easy to
> fix .

I'll ignore that as just biased opinion .

> ME hmmm well where to start, this is where microsoft
> has taken the choice away from the user, eg default
> options is to automatically update the os while
> online without telling the user . don't know about
> anywhere else but i recieved 15 machines one morning
> that had been left connected overnight . one of the
> windows update turned out to be a dud and pc's
> connected at the time it was released got a system
> shutdown and no reboot, system totally corrupted with
> no fix available from microsoft, to top it all off
> microsoft denied the blunder for 48 hrs .

so where's the problem with ME here? This sounds more like a problem with the windows update . As to your saying that windows updates automatically while online without telling the user, this is perhaps trying to overcome the problem of people who don't know what they're doing never updating . People who know what they're doing can easily turn the feature off, but its pretty difficult getting people who can't even program a VCR to think of and to actually run a windows update . It was a good idea from MS that didn't really work properly due to the fact of buggy updates, not a bug in ME itself .

> The system restore folder, nice piece of programming
> for testing as a add on/beta version . this has been
> fixed in xp however when me was released check out
> the size on some of those folders and note the avg
> user can't delete them, so far the biggest i've seen
> is 20gb, when you have a 40gb hdd thats half your hdd
> gone .

To have a system restore folder at 20gb the user would have to have set the max size to 50% - the default is around 2% (if I remember rightly) .

> There is so much to say i could write for hours,
> these are a coiuple of examples . ok main brand makers

keep going - I'm still waiting for genuine "bugs" to be mentioned .

> like hp, compaq stuck with me cause it was a major
> expense to remarket the 98 and switch all those mass
> pc's around the world from me back to 98, this would
> cost more than the company could handle . do the math,
> do you think these companies could handle the
> expense . If you ask custom pc builders eg small based
> companies building individual pc's by request, 90% of
> them switched back to 98 as the primary os .
>
> XP used the lessons learnt from ME and fixed the
> faults . they are even talking voice recognition with
> the OS now etc . . . . . . .
>
> Overall ME was a lemon with untried principles
> release before testing was complete to counter the
> new mac software that was about to be released at the
> time .
>
> Paladin
> <moves all belongings into nuclear bomb shelter after
> the above comments >

Mike . 		Mike (15)
59724 2002-07-07 10:41:00 I think we are starting to drift off the voting point here, I too have ME and love it with only user induced problems so far.....( too musch titu ). I also have a PC company puter here at the moment that I have just wiped the ME and am installing 98 due to the lack of resources etc in the damn thing.
We're voting and expressing our personal opinions so please cut back on the "discussion" and keep to a friendly level.
I love my phillips monitor but cant really comment on others as this is the only monitor I have owned.
The best Anti Virus in my opinion is Norton mainly from ease of use and the consistantly good scores in AV trials.
Sad to say but for ISP I wil have to go with telecom here. I just switched back from quicksilver after months of slowing performance and have tried several others also but none can seem to meet the speeds.

Best PC help site is still PressF1 and I have tried others but none seem to quite make the grade

As Forrest Gump said "and that's all I have to say about that" 		dipstick01 (445)
59725 2002-07-08 02:51:00 Yes, our opinions are coloured by our own experiences.

I had some shocking experiences with Compaq due to delivery issues when they changed to SAP a few years back and that put me right off. I know it has nothing to do with quality or anything.

The devil you know is always the "warts and all" view versus the devil you don't.

I think that we can all benefit from good and bad experiences of others. Personally, I like the Philips 107s and similar. They do the job, and are reasonably priced. Don't have an opinion on others.

Be useful to know what favoured apps are in certain areas - not Office, but photo re-touching, firewalls, Av, etc.

For what it's worth, that is what I think.

robo. 		robo (205)
59726 2002-07-08 04:02:00 most favorite graphics/av viewer ifranView
most hated graphics/av viewer realplayer

best firewall ...outpost only due to ZA ver3 having so many bugs.

best email ..eudora

best messageing prog icq (only use messanger to go through certain firewalls/ics setups)

best tweak prog ....X-setup

best download app ...flashget (with spyware diabled of course)

best tools......regcleaner, nortons

best music app ....winamp

best cd burning ....nero

all my favorites of course ;-) 		tweak'e (174)
59727 2002-07-08 04:26:00 Tweak'e, did you get my email?
robo. 		robo (205)
59728 2002-07-08 04:35:00 sure did. did you get my reply? tweak'e (174)
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