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| Thread ID: 22141 | 2002-07-13 00:28:00 | Corngate, appalling ignorance... | Terry Porritt (14) | Press F1 |
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| 61965 | 2002-07-13 11:25:00 | But you're encouraging him Chris! | Susan B (19) | ||
| 61966 | 2002-07-13 11:59:00 | Am not Susan! i just went with the flow.... Does anyone actually care about the GE issue, or just the way its been (mis)handled by media? Personally i'm really quite concerned on it, I'll give Greens full credit for being the only party in resent times to stick to their guns, and i hope things are sorted so NZ can be GE free, if for no other reason than it allows us to exploit a HUGE market, and i mean HUGE global market, one big enough to make us a truly wealthy nation. just to give some idea of the scale, the pressF1 spell checker knows the word "GE" but not the word "NZ" Our geographic isolation puts us in a very good location to exploit this market, as no american or european farmer will be able to stay GE free as cross pollination occurs |
Chris Wilson (431) | ||
| 61967 | 2002-07-13 12:04:00 | I support GE, but afraid I have no confidence in the Greens. Too dangerous to our economy to let them loose, far too many feral elements. puts on flameproof (non-asbestos based hemp derived) suit |
godfather (25) | ||
| 61968 | 2002-07-13 12:13:00 | I have also noticed that like corn, carrots can also come back out again, the way they went in - after a dodgy night on the plonk BALDY |
Baldy (26) | ||
| 61969 | 2002-07-13 12:13:00 | Chris, I care about it too, simply because it is a big unknown really, and we don't know what the long-term effects are, or even if there are any. But I think you'd be flogging a dead horse with the farmers who see more benefit using GE technology than staying GE free. Do you remember myxamatosis (can't spell it but it was that rabbit disease)? The government was forced to introduce it after it was illegally released by frustrated farmers who saw it as an end to their rabbit problem. We don't hear about it anymore, but it hasn't cured the rabbit problem like they thought it would. The rabbits appear to be building up resistance to it. Shouldn't the pro-GE crowd be taking notice of that? |
Susan B (19) | ||
| 61970 | 2002-07-13 12:29:00 | I went to a wee conference on the matter, held in greymouth when i was last over there... the people pushing GE products and silencing the research that showed problems were the same people who stood to make the most $$, the seed manufacturers, and the herbicide manufacturers that want special plants that their products wont kill, There was one piece of anti pest genetically engineered bacteria that got tested in the lab quickly, and seemed OK, when put in a more thorough test, it was found that it was so effective that it turned soil to lifeless sludge.. the product was never released, and the researcher that took it on herself to further test the "product" just in case lost her funding for future research... very scientific! If i learn how to set up a computer, i can stuff it up, and worst case scenario i rebuild it, format install a new O/S and start from scratch. I have learnt what little i know by doing just this... Now when it comes to life itself, should we take the same approach, i'll just think about that one. And if the govt did any research to the HUGE GEfree market out there, (GE free, nuclear free clean green NZ product) and made noises about the results to the said farmers, thus exploiting our size and location, making the rural community happy, instead of playing follow the leaders for international cred, we'd ALL be better off |
Chris Wilson (431) | ||
| 61971 | 2002-07-13 17:10:00 | > Just think a moment, 5 tons of seed, how many seeds > is that? As a seed coater, and one who treated the seed upon entry into the country, there are 4 - 5000 seeds per kilo. Its too late to do the math, so you'll have to work it out yourself. :) |
*Sparky* (311) | ||
| 61972 | 2002-07-13 21:14:00 | Ok folks, I knew this would turn into a GE debate, I didn't mention GE in the body of the original posting, just "Corngate" in the subject, and away you all went. I left school in the mid 50's in the UK when subjects were taught formally. Since then we've had "Modern Maths", "learn as you play", "discover science by doing, not by being taught". All this was supposed to produce better educated pupils, and the old tried methods were rubbished. I am assuming that elements of statistics and sampling methods are taught at 6th and 7th form levels these days, and will have been for a long time. When you listen to politicians and media interviewers, their basic maths and scientific knowledge is really very very poor, that is what I was getting at. Corngate was just the latest example, demands being made for cast iron guarrantees, yes or no, regarding someting which is obviously governed by statistical methods. Only Marion Hobbs tried to get across the concept of a 99% confidence level. Ok, we have a 99% confidence level that after carrying out a sampling plan the level of contamination should not exceed 0.1% or whatever of the shipment. That is still a long way from saying the shipment was not contaminated, as the interviewers, and others were trying to get an answer to. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 61973 | 2002-07-13 23:04:00 | I totally support GE. It's just the next step in medical technology. Where would we be today if people hadn't finally accepted vaccinations when they were first introduced? Surely those who oppose GE would have to admit that eating a GE tomato is a better way to CURE say, diabetes than shooting up three times a day for ever! Or drinking a glass of milk to CURE MS instead of taking expensive drugs for the rest of your deteriorating life! GE should be embraced as the answer to curing the world of our genetic defects. |
cadifan (286) | ||
| 61974 | 2002-07-14 00:14:00 | cadifan, vaccinations do good?, yes we are told that, but have you ever wondered why the people who point blank refuse these preventative treatments almost never get sick? I almost never get sick, but this year, because of an embarrassing infection, i took doxycyclene (probably spelt wrong)I knew i shouldn't have taken it, but there seemed no other choice. As a result of letting the western medical profession play with my bodies immune system i have had flu for the first time in years, i thought it was going to kill me, i have never been that sick, and have been snively most of this winter. The top end of the western medical, and GE industries are driven by the need to make $$, not the need to keep people healthy, or feed the world. Those of us who avoid doctors like the plague, are the healthiest you will meet. There's already enough food to feed the world many times over, so it's a political/economic problem that people starve, and not a sign that natural crops are in some way inferior. And yes i know the GEfreeNZ argument is flawed by the fact that some impurities will get in, but we still have the chance to be the nation with the pure food that a large chunk of the planets populous will want. |
Chris Wilson (431) | ||
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