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66356	2002-07-29 02:45:00	To facilitate a complete tidy up of my “D” (Slave Drive) I transferred files I required to my “C” (Master Drive) and reformatted “D” . Fine, I then replaced what I wanted onto “D” . Problem, one programme, and only one programme, no longer works . It’s called Hoyle Card Games by I think Sierra Software . All I get is the dreaded: This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down . Etc . etc . Hoyle Card Games caused an invalid page fault in module Hoyle Card Games . exe at 0177:0060e997 . Registers……………………… . Bytes ………………………… . Haven’t seen the original disks for zonks . Has anyone any suggestions as to how to repair???? Cheers Bob	B.M. (505)
66357	2002-07-29 02:54:00	Could possibly be a corrupt file . If you have copied without reinstalling like (I presume this is what you have been doing), then it is possible that a file got corrupted during the transition . If you havn't already, try restoring the directory / files again and see what happens .	Elwin Way (229)
66358	2002-07-29 03:08:00	Sierra liked to protect their intellectual property :D. I suppose they were 5.25" floppies. ;-) You might get lucky if you can run the setup/install programme.	Graham L (2)
66359	2002-07-29 03:34:00	Generally speaking you cant do what you have done. When you install a program, it does not just copy the files into folders on your system, it also updates critical registry keys as well. If you have just copied them back to a fresh install of windows, then these keys do not exist. There are a few programs around that live by simpler rules and do not populate the registry with their keys, but I suspect the one you are having problems with is not one of them. Even the other ones you consider to be OK may throw up their hands in disgust at some point in their operation. Your system may become unstable in the future, recommend reinstalling. Data files created by programs such as word processor document, spreadsheets etc are fine. Only the actual programs are the problem.	godfather (25)
66360	2002-07-29 03:37:00	Sorry, should have read it closer. The same thing applies though, there were probably some registry files stored with the card game files (bad programming), just reinstall it. I had a similar problem when I tried to remove a slave drive, several errors as some lazy applications had installed on it.	godfather (25)
66361	2002-07-29 04:00:00	Thinking about this, it may well have used "hidden files" which you would not have been able to copy, so a bit is now missing?	godfather (25)
66362	2002-07-29 04:05:00	A curley one - no relation to Mark Todd I presume? Interesting, so you moved files rom D, formatted D then moved them back is basically what your saying. Reading between the lines it appears the C: drive is where Windows is located (& probably the registry). I would have thought that this operation should have worked OK as the dll files and links in the registry under c: havent changed & would still point to the D: drive. Problems can be encountered if the folder has been renamed or the path has changed . For example if you had the game under d:\games\hoyle and you now have it under d:\hoyle. I do not believe the mere fact of moving the files has adjusted something in the registry. Sometimes games install their own INI file. Look in the game directory and see if it is pointing to the wrong drive in any of the lines. Also, there might be a setup file to run - lots of old games have these, which are not installs of the game itself but to setup certain things like sound etc. These are normally DOS games like Duke Nukem etc. Unfortunately if these dont show up anything, with a format of d: you might be pretty well poked unless you can get your hands on the program again. Parry	parry (27)
66363	2002-07-29 05:41:00	Thanks everyone . No Parry, no relation, friend, or associate, of Mark Todd . Like you I thought I would get away with it, (and in the majority of cases I did) however, something went wrong here . You were correct in assuming that Win98 and the registry were on “C” . I think the fact that I’ve dragged and dropped other games successfully made me a tad careless and I never really considered I was dealing with an application . (She’ll be right) At the end of the day I would not be surprised if Sierra Software have not contributed in some small way to my downfall as they try to stop copying as Graham L points out . Oh well, just have to find the beastly disk and reload! (CD that is Graham, although I have heaps of the old 5 ½ s, just wish I could use them . A bit like 78’s) Which leads to another story . My old PC Direct 286 came to a sticky end when the CMOS battery saw fit to dissolve and eat its way through the motherboard! Thus I was left with my 5 ½ inch drive & 40meg Winchester (wow) and nothing to drive them . Curses, because I had some real useful DOS programmes . Anyway, the other day I was thrown a old 486sx that’s CMOS battery had done exactly the same thing, only not as spectacularly . So, I’ve jerry rigged three nicads and got the CMOS fired up, screen working, all looking good but having installed the Disks (including the controller in a ISA slot) nothing! Can’t detect floppy or Winchester . That’s as far as I’ve got but I’m wondering if the 486sx Motherboard and BIOS can cope with 286 architecture??? After al,l the 286 used to run at a whopping 12mhz with turbo on and slowed to 6mhz so you could play games . Yea, and 640k of memory . Lordy, Lordy what has gone wrong? Anyway, thanks for your help everyone and I’d be real grateful is anyone can help getting those 5 ½ s spinning again . (This is your fault Graham L) Cheers Bob	B.M. (505)
66364	2002-07-29 05:55:00	The 486 will use the floppy fine. PnP wasnt active then so you need to go into the BIOS and tell it where it is, there will be an option for it (probably is in your present PC) Be interesting if the magnetic compound on the floppy disks is still attached, certainly past their use by date! Suspect the winchester disk would have a setup program and or needs the cylinder/head info entered into the bios?	godfather (25)
66365	2002-07-29 06:12:00	The 5 . 25" drive will work on a 486 . (It ought to work on a Pentium!) It's just an FAT12 device, with a standard data/control cable . The only difference is the power connector . The 40MB should work, too . But you will have to use the BIOS setup to select the sec/heads/cyls for it . The BIOS default floppy type is usually wrong, too;-) . I once bought a Compaq 286 which needed a setup programme for the BIOS . The hard disk wasn't entered in the BIOS . So I couldn't boot it to use the setup programme . Fixed that by using DEBUG to write the appropriate number into the CMOS . (Then I wrote a programme to manipulate that CMOS memory) .	Graham L (2)
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