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Thread ID: 125415	2012-06-26 22:37:00	More Racism and Separatism:	B.M. (505)	PC World Chat

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1284172	2012-06-30 23:49:00	Hard to see on what basis the Government would be scared to stand against settlements if it got them votes. More likely the Government has noted that it lost the battle in Court over settlements, it is effectively bound therefore by law to settle the claims. As for people denying past injustices, have we been reading the same forum as certainly seems a lot of contributors on here who deny just that. I'm happy to debate issues, but the likes of Mikebartz seem not able to do that and resort to comments like "total prat". Why cant they accept and respect there are people who have different thoughts to their own?	Twelvevolts (5457)
1284173	2012-06-30 23:57:00	It is not my imagination that there has been an increase in threads that bleat on about Maori in general or the Treaty of Waitangi. There is a small group of members who use this forum as their personal soapbox for this particular topic. While I am all for open and broad discussions, there is a difference between debate and constant regurgitation. For example, in the last 3 months B.M. has created 17 threads - 10 of these have been about Maori or the Treaty of Waitangi and 5 of those in just this month. It has been pointed out that this gives the forum a 'taint', which is a bit sad. Open and varied discussion yes, single topic droning on and on, no. Give it a break please. Debate is a good thing and to be encouraged - certainly seventeen threads from BM don't appear to be intended for genuine debate though.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1284174	2012-06-30 23:59:00	It is not my imagination that there has been an increase in threads that bleat on about Maori in general or the Treaty of Waitangi. There is a small group of members who use this forum as their personal soapbox for this particular topic. While I am all for open and broad discussions, there is a difference between debate and constant regurgitation. For example, in the last 3 months B.M. has created 17 threads - 10 of these have been about Maori or the Treaty of Waitangi and 5 of those in just this month. It has been pointed out that this gives the forum a 'taint', which is a bit sad. Open and varied discussion yes, single topic droning on and on, no. Give it a break please. Jen, did you not notice that the subject threads you complain about all referred to, and were linked to, “News Items”, most of which were covered by none other than Fairfax Media, the sponsors of this site. Oh the irony. But the thrust of the debate is that at the moment the Government is taking Billions of dollars in land and cash from the General Economy and redistributing it on a Race Basis in favour of Maori. That is plain Racist. Needless to say the Hone Key Supporters and recipients of the handouts won’t see it that way and there lays the problem. Personally, I believe that if you are entitled to a New Zealand Passport then you are a New Zealander and that’s it end of story. Your Colour, Class, or Creed is irrelevant. Finally, I remember a well known American Politician (can’t recall exactly which one off the top of my head – Kennedy?) once said “The best way to beat communism is to talk about it”. I suggest the same goes for Racism. ;)	B.M. (505)
1284175	2012-07-01 00:08:00	I'm happy to debate issues, but the likes of Mikebartz seem not able to do that and resort to comments like "total prat". Only because you attributed something to me that was completely untrue which you often do the way you run around calling everyone a racist just because they don't choose to follow your reasoning so you need to learn how to debate issues without letting your personal feelings intrude so much.	mikebartnz (21)
1284176	2012-07-01 00:13:00	According to this article (see p . 8) the embargo was lifted in 1996 . . . . . . and there is nothing significant in the original report . . openureyes . org . nz/blog/?q=node/949" target="_blank">www . openureyes . org . nz Quite an interesting link . What a pity the site wasn’t a little more user friendly . Anyway, I must have a second read, but it strikes me as odd that the embargo was lifted in 1996 courtesy of a Court Case and there was nothing in it?? Seems there’s strange things happening in the Forrest . :D	B.M. (505)
1284177	2012-07-01 00:34:00	But the thrust of the debate is that at the moment the Government is taking Billions of dollars in land and cash from the General Economy and redistributing it on a Race Basis in favour of Maori. That is plain Racist. Needless to say the Hone Key Supporters and recipients of the handouts won’t see it that way and there lays the problem. While I think most would echo those sentiments, regardless of if you're a National or Labour supporter, perhaps a letter to your local MP may be more productive?	Chilling_Silence (9)
1284178	2012-07-01 00:47:00	Just for Twelvevolts benefit. Twice in my life I have felt physically threatened because I have been a Pakeha in amongst non Pakeha The first time I was at a Maori friends fathers birthday party when some out of town relations of theirs threatened me when all the others had gone inside and it was just lucky Tonga came out and sorted it. Would I have been the lone Pakeha there if I hadn't been invited? The second time was down south when I was waiting to talk to an Islander I knew and this guy across the table from him got threatening. Once again it was easily sorted but totally unnecessary.	mikebartnz (21)
1284179	2012-07-01 01:41:00	Just for Twelvevolts benefit. Twice in my life I have felt physically threatened because I have been a Pakeha in amongst non Pakeha The first time I was at a Maori friends fathers birthday party when some out of town relations of theirs threatened me when all the others had gone inside and it was just lucky Tonga came out and sorted it. Would I have been the lone Pakeha there if I hadn't been invited? The second time was down south when I was waiting to talk to an Islander I knew and this guy across the table from him got threatening. Once again it was easily sorted but totally unnecessary. The most scary situation I have ever had was being threatened by them in a pub in Murapara. That includes being an aircraft when the engine has stopped.	prefect (6291)
1284180	2012-07-01 01:59:00	"The nation behaves well if it treats the natural resources as assets which it must turn over to the next generation increased, and not impaired, in value". Theodore Roosevelt (1858 - 1919), Speech before the Colorado Live Stock Association, Denver, Colorado, August 19, 1910 OK - he wasn't talking about SOAs but it's the thought that counts.... As was pointed out near the beginning of the thread, the whole asset sale debacle is with us because of lethargic voting, which is why this interpretation is so succinct...	tuiruru (12277)
1284181	2012-07-01 02:06:00	"The nation behaves well if it treats the natural resources as assets which it must turn over to the next generation increased, and not impaired, in value". Theodore Roosevelt (1858 - 1919), Speech before the Colorado Live Stock Association, Denver, Colorado, August 19, 1910 OK - he wasn't talking about SOAs but it's the thought that counts.... As was pointed out near the beginning of the thread, the whole asset sale debacle is with us because of lethargic voting, which is why this interpretation is so succinct... :thumbs:	mikebartnz (21)
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