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Thread ID: 125457	2012-06-30 04:26:00	Kim Dotcom	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1284773	2012-07-03 13:09:00	Really? So its acceptable to you for a criminal to move to another country and evade prosecution? Did Dotcom live in the States before he moved to NZ?	mikebartnz (21)
1284774	2012-07-04 09:54:00	Really? So its acceptable to you for a criminal to move to another country and evade prosecution? I can't believe you wrote that Winston . Is it not the foundation of civilised law, the cornerstone of Western justice, that the accused is innocent until proven guilty? It is not yet proven beyond reasonable doubt that Dotcom has committed any crime at all, and it is equally unlikely that he ever will be, but the point is well made by icow 'Why isn't every ISP in the world being sued for copyright infringement?' ISPs facilitate the sale and transfer of copyright material every minute of every day . They adopted a 'hands-off' policy right from the get-go, without which internet piracy would never have become quite as deep rooted . Billy	Billy T (70)
1284775	2012-07-04 10:36:00	I can't believe you wrote that Winston . Is it not the foundation of civilised law, the cornerstone of Western justice, that the accused is innocent until proven guilty? It is not yet proven beyond reasonable doubt that Dotcom has committed any crime at all, and it is equally unlikely that he ever will be, but the point is well made by icow 'Why isn't every ISP in the world being sued for copyright infringement?' ISPs facilitate the sale and transfer of copyright material every minute of every day . They adopted a 'hands-off' policy right from the get-go, without which internet piracy would never have become quite as deep rooted . Billy:thumbs::thumbs:	mikebartnz (21)
1284776	2012-07-04 11:44:00	Did Dotcom live in the States before he moved to NZ? No. The legal issue is his business enables the piracy of US copyright material. He is in control - ergo he facilitates unlawful theft. Much like a secondhand dealer who fences stolen property. I can't believe you wrote that Winston. Is it not the foundation of civilised law, the cornerstone of Western justice, that the accused is innocent until proven guilty? Certainly and I was wrong to call him a criminal in this specific discussion. He is in fact a convicted criminal for credit card theft, pumping an internet share stock, and embezzlement: I got carried away. ;) The law will follow its due process and there is every chance Kim will walk away. What does trouble me is the suggestion that the NZ government was in some mysterious manner forced into assisting the FBI. Such things are below politicians radar, and furthermore the separation of powers of state means our law enforcement is not political. Lets be honest guys - internet piracy is irrelevant to politicians. Most voters don't care or even understand it. They want jobs, safe streets, and that's what the pollies hear day after day. Its only we geeks who think its a big deal. And the media of course cos its an easy story - no investigation or thought required.	Winston001 (3612)
1284777	2012-07-04 11:55:00	Certainly and I was wrong to call him a criminal in this specific discussion. He is in fact a convicted criminal for credit card theft, pumping an internet share stock, and embezzlement: I got carried away. ;) But he does have quite a hot looking wife.	Digby (677)
1284778	2012-07-04 12:11:00	No . The . . . Such things are below politicians radar . . . Sometimes I tend toward the thought that there is very little below our politicians . ;) Crossing a snail trail, for them, involves rocket science .	R2x1 (4628)
1284779	2012-07-04 12:13:00	No. The legal issue is his business enables the piracy of US copyright material. He is in control - ergo he facilitates unlawful theft. Then why did you put this So its acceptable to you for a criminal to move to another country and evade prosecution? He is in control - ergo he facilitates unlawful theft. and ISP's, Google Drive, SkyDrive, Dropbox etc. don't.	mikebartnz (21)
1284780	2012-07-04 16:11:00	Hey youse guys! Since China, Bulgaria and a lot of the other darker Meso-European ex-satellites (and will return to be so in the near future) refuse to acknowledge any patent, registered logos, corporate names and even pharmaceutical trademarks, then I guess it falls on Upsidedown Land's shoulders to set the standard . Just kidding --- but you see where that line of crippled logic actually points? If a civilized state-country (Upsidedown Land here, fer example) weren't to concede that law is law universally - even a law that pumps fat into the guts of media moguls in oak-lined upper offices with hot-n-cold running secretaries then all Hades would break loose . Personally I dislike the idea of one nation's laws overreaching into another's laws, right to seizure, Habeas Corpus, and fair trial parameters . Youse guys gotz youse own troubles; offended ones (eg: the US) should keep such offenses to themselves and not crawl them over to another sovereign land . Flight to avoid prosecution is entirely a different thing and extradition should be reciprocal, indeed . If any of youse want - I can look around here looking for ex-Upsidedowners and send them home - OK?	SurferJoe46 (51)
1284781	2012-07-04 16:20:00	You've got a couple of Presidents that could be extradited to countries where crimes have been comitted by organisations under their control ...	fred_fish (15241)
1284782	2012-07-04 16:21:00	Yeah - but they declare themselves above the fray. 'Fraid not. And please remember that I am here by an accident of birth.	SurferJoe46 (51)
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