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Thread ID: 125415	2012-06-26 22:37:00	More Racism and Separatism:	B.M. (505)	PC World Chat

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1284122	2012-06-27 23:03:00	And the last to acknowledge that there were people here before the people who were here prior to our European ancestors arriving. People who were killed and eaten by the people who were here prior to our European ancestors arriving. Sure Eskimos are indigenous, so are Aborigines but unless Maori are denying their own heritage, they are not indigenous to New Zealand, they came in canoes from the Polynesian islands. I'm just as indigenous as a Maori, only difference is my ancesters had a bigger boat. Quite right, I am sick to death of the apologists who continue to bend over and take the BS we are feed by people who went from stone age to modern living in 100 yrs. Hey, keep your quaint mythical story's for the kids at bedtime, there is no use for them nowadays.	SolMiester (139)
1284123	2012-06-28 03:17:00	And the last to acknowledge that there were people here before the people who were here prior to our European ancestors arriving. People who were killed and eaten by the people who were here prior to our European ancestors arriving. ....unless Maori are denying their own heritage, they are not indigenous to New Zealand, they came in canoes from the Polynesian islands. . With respect your point escapes me. Are you saying that no human culture can claim to be indigenous? Homo sapiens originated in Africa and spread out from there which means all of us have emigrated to other countries. That took 500,000 years and in that time humans evolved slightly differently in each part of the world. As a race we developed local cultures which add immense colour and diversity to the total mix. Should we respect those cultures or simply subsume them on the basis that might is right? We do not organise our social-democratic society that way which you can be thankful for.	Winston001 (3612)
1284124	2012-06-28 03:57:00	With respect your point escapes me. Are you saying that no human culture can claim to be indigenous? Homo sapiens originated in Africa and spread out from there which means all of us have emigrated to other countries. That took 500,000 years and in that time humans evolved slightly differently in each part of the world. As a race we developed local cultures which add immense colour and diversity to the total mix. Should we respect those cultures or simply subsume them on the basis that might is right? We do not organise our social-democratic society that way which you can be thankful for. Well Winston i guess the Africans can claim to be indigenous as they didnt sail there, so could the Abbos in Ozzy, probably some more.	Gobe1 (6290)
1284125	2012-06-28 05:00:00	We've been at the forefront of caring for the individual members of our society leading the world. In the entire planet of 6.7 billion, Canada is the only other nation which has come close to New Zealand in social issues and recognising indigenous people's claims. While I partly agree, you have to wonder when the line will be drawn in the sand and the Govt will just say "Enough is enough.". Remembering that it's a two-way street, we brought more than just gunpowder to the Maoris. Show me them still living in huts and maraes without using our "21st century electricity" and medical care and the likes? I don't see them giving us that back...	Chilling_Silence (9)
1284126	2012-06-28 06:19:00	With respect your point escapes me . Are you saying that no human culture can claim to be indigenous? Homo sapiens originated in Africa and spread out from there which means all of us have emigrated to other countries . That took 500,000 years and in that time humans evolved slightly differently in each part of the world . As a race we developed local cultures which add immense colour and diversity to the total mix . Should we respect those cultures or simply subsume them on the basis that might is right? We do not organise our social-democratic society that way which you can be thankful for . Read an article in The Press about dinosaurs' having roamed the earth for 150,000,000 years, those 90 tone beasts must have squashed themslves into extinction, mind you it may have taken them a long time in birthing proccess, similar to an elephant taking 4 years . The same thing would have applied to the human population, see chart attached . So where are all the fossil remains for all this bs . There must have been a lot of Separatism going on back then too . Lurking .	Lurking (218)
1284127	2012-06-28 06:42:00	While I partly agree, you have to wonder when the line will be drawn in the sand and the Govt will just say "Enough is enough.". Remembering that it's a two-way street, we brought more than just gunpowder to the Maoris. Show me them still living in huts and maraes without using our "21st century electricity" and medical care and the likes? I don't see them giving us that back...Do you honestly believe without the pakeha, Maoris would still be running around in grass skirts?	plod (107)
1284128	2012-06-28 07:34:00	Well, wandering slowly around then?	R2x1 (4628)
1284129	2012-06-28 07:42:00	Maori will have to sharpen their negotiation skills www.nzherald.co.nz Been so use to everyone bending over for them	Lawrence (2987)
1284130	2012-06-28 08:28:00	Well, wandering slowly around then? Spot on K9, running is an unfamiliar word to those lads. Plod, if they had not been discovered, I doubt they would have waked over to Australia.:groan:	Cicero (40)
1284131	2012-06-28 08:44:00	Do you honestly believe without colonisation, Maoris would still be running around in grass skirts? They would be at pretty much the same level as Tonga, Though their mismanagement skills would mean they would have been stripped of all their assets, and no doubt they would be in a constant state of fighting, coups would be the norm as in Fiji, either way the country would be bankrupt, dirt poor and most probably in ruins.	Metla (12)
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