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Thread ID: 125415	2012-06-26 22:37:00	More Racism and Separatism:	B.M. (505)	PC World Chat

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1284112	2012-06-27 08:02:00	Shouldn't we stand up and be proud? NZ was the first nation to grant universal suffrage, the first to give an old age pension, and the first to acknowledge the rights of people living here prior to our European ancestors arriving. People whom we accidentally killed with measles, smallpox etc etc. We've been at the forefront of caring for the individual members of our society leading the world. In the entire planet of 6.7 billion, Canada is the only other nation which has come close to New Zealand in social issues and recognising indigenous people's claims. Try being an aboriginal or Torres Strait islander in Australia. Indeed even being a refugee - that will take you back to the South Africa of the 1900s. Barbed wire camps. The Germans picked up on that 30 years later...	Winston001 (3612)
1284113	2012-06-27 08:24:00	So the solution is to bend over and take any kind of bs claim the maori's can think up and then give them all they want. And the more they are given the greedier they seem to get.	hueybot3000 (3646)
1284114	2012-06-27 09:08:00	Let me try and explain what happened Gary. Firstly, over 1 million eligible voters (26%), like myself, didn’t vote. HERE (www.nzherald.co.nz) Why? Because as I’ve said before It was like voting for which form of Cancer you’d prefer to die from. In short, the standard of Political Party & Politician was so poor we couldn’t bring ourselves to support any. So, when it came to Asset Sales, National had by no means a majority or mandate to push ahead. Indeed, they had to rely on the ACT party and United Future party with one vote each to get the Bill through the House. ACT and John Banks were predictable, especially after the Key & Banks tea party, but that still meant they needed United Future’s vote from Peter Dunne. In the end Peter Dunne forsook his principles in favour of political expedience and voted with the government. This meant that the whole matter was decided by a politician belonging to a Party with 0.6% of the votes, (just 13,443 in total), and I’ll bet a big proportion of them didn’t support their Leader on this one. :lol: I figure he will have sealed his own fate now and that of the United Future Party as well. ;) Oh the irony of the Party name. :lol: and there you have half the problem not voting was akin to saying I don't care National do what you want, crying foul when you didn't use your power of vote is too bad. Yes the other parties were not worth much but a vote for them would have made dictator Keys policies harder to push through. and as for those clowns who voted for Banks well they should be shot for treason	gary67 (56)
1284115	2012-06-27 11:06:00	and the first to acknowledge the rights of people living here prior to our European ancestors arriving . People whom we accidentally killed with measles, smallpox etc etc . We've been at the forefront of caring for the individual members of our society leading the world . In the entire planet of 6 . 7 billion, Canada is the only other nation which has come close to New Zealand in social issues and recognising indigenous people's claims . Try being an aboriginal or Torres Strait islander in Australia . Indeed even being a refugee - that will take you back to the South Africa of the 1900s . Barbed wire camps . The Germans picked up on that 30 years later . . . And the last to acknowledge that there were people here before the people who were here prior to our European ancestors arriving . People who were killed and eaten by the people who were here prior to our European ancestors arriving . Sure Eskimos are indigenous, so are Aborigines but unless Maori are denying their own heritage, they are not indigenous to New Zealand, they came in canoes from the Polynesian islands . I'm just as indigenous as a Maori, only difference is my ancesters had a bigger boat .	Iantech (16386)
1284116	2012-06-27 19:23:00	and there you have half the problem not voting was akin to saying I don't care National do what you want, crying foul when you didn't use your power of vote is too bad . Yes the other parties were not worth much but a vote for them would have made dictator Keys policies harder to push through . and as for those clowns who voted for Banks well they should be shot for treason I suppose you’re suggesting I should attend Church also, even though, like Political Parties, I don’t trust any of them . However, I do agree with one or two others on here that Winston Peters is making the most sense at the moment .	B.M. (505)
1284117	2012-06-27 19:34:00	And the last to acknowledge that there were people here before the people who were here prior to our European ancestors arriving. People who were killed and eaten by the people who were here prior to our European ancestors arriving. Sure Eskimos are indigenous, so are Aborigines but unless Maori are denying their own heritage, they are not indigenous to New Zealand, they came in canoes from the Polynesian islands. I'm just as indigenous as a Maori, only difference is my ancesters had a bigger boat. +1 :thumbs: When I was at school the teaching was that the only two Indigenous Races were the American Red Indian and Australian Aborigine. Now days there are a number of definitions of Indigenous People depending which World Organisation you choose to believe. :groan:	B.M. (505)
1284118	2012-06-27 20:08:00	Well, some groups are more indigent than others. ;)	R2x1 (4628)
1284119	2012-06-27 20:25:00	We have been too kind to the ethnics and they paid back our kindness by being greedy.	prefect (6291)
1284120	2012-06-27 20:55:00	I suppose you’re suggesting I should attend Church also, even though, like Political Parties, I don’t trust any of them. What does that have to do with the price of fish? I'm with gary67, point is you're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem. You didn't vote, you're not part of the solution, you effectively null and void all bitching rights (Which you're pretty good at and seem to do a lot of) because when it came time to vote, you didn't want to get off your ass and make a difference. Therefore, you are part of the problem. I'm not saying your viewpoint is wrong, I'm just saying "Tough luck, it was bound to happen because when push came to shove, you didn't make your voice heard, yet you seem to feel you have some sort of vindictive right to complain because you didn't get your way in the first place". Suck it up.	Chilling_Silence (9)
1284121	2012-06-27 22:36:00	I'm with gary67, point is you're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem. You didn't vote, you're not part of the solution, you effectively null and void all bitching rights (Which you're pretty good at and seem to do a lot of) because when it came time to vote, you didn't want to get off your ass and make a difference. Therefore, you are part of the problem.Suck it up. Well you’d better tell that to a million others out there that don’t believe in choosing between evils either.	B.M. (505)
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