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| Thread ID: 23264 | 2002-08-11 09:44:00 | Is there anyway to force a page to reload from the server using HTML code? | Graham Petrie (449) | Press F1 |
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| 70242 | 2002-08-12 09:38:00 | 10 days? And you haven't yet mastered the details of ASP, CFM, javascript, vbscript... Ok, a bit of walking before all the running. Once you've mastered client side scripting (HTML) then go play with the others! Both ASP and Cold Fusion use HTML(running on the client) plus javascript (running on the server) to work. Useful to access databases. I've consulted HomeSite, Dreamweaver, a couple of books and Google. The programs and books told me what to look for in Google. tech.irt.org seems to hold your answer. Anyhow, why Frames? Nasty things at the best of times... |
Heather P (163) | ||
| 70243 | 2002-08-12 10:08:00 | And wots wrong with frames? X-( Not all servers support SSI you know - what else are we supposed to do? |
Elwin Way (229) | ||
| 70244 | 2002-08-12 10:59:00 | "Many usability experts, such as Jakob Nielsen (http://www.useit.com), are extremely critical of frames. Given the current implementation of frames, and designers who do not understand the potential drawbacks of framed documents, the statement that "frames can give designers more rope to hang themselves with" has some truth to it." (Actually, going to his site I seem to have found the answer to the original problem. Look at: www.useit.com and scroll down to "When it's OK to use frames") Browser compatibility with frames has improved in the last few years but I still see errors. One would be designers who use 800 x 600 resolution, assume everyone has the same and set up no scrolling. Or a framed site that is virtually unusable at 600 x 480 because the main frame is too small. I've created sites with frames (in fact one framed template has had a dozen or so sites created from it) and do weekly work on a framed site - but I think very carefully before creating them! |
Heather P (163) | ||
| 70245 | 2002-08-12 11:46:00 | Memory add - keep punctuation away from website references. The first one should have been http://www.useit.com | Heather P (163) | ||
| 70246 | 2002-08-12 13:02:00 | Well it's all about how you use frames. Sure if some idiot is going to specify a frame in pixels and works the site around that, then yes, it's bad. I use frames in a very simple manner. I never use more than 2 cos there is no need to. And I know how to specify a % size to make it look the same on all resolutions! And besides, you should never be actually seeing frames. check my sites for a good example on proper frame usage. There's nothing wrong with them. :p http://www.design4web.co.nz and here (pages.quicksilver.net.nz). |
Elwin Way (229) | ||
| 70247 | 2002-08-12 22:28:00 | Well Elwin, If you want more than a third of your screen given over to navigation on 640 x 480 leaving less than two thirds of the screen to show bits of information - go for it. Just remember that only 10% of users scroll down the page... |
Heather P (163) | ||
| 70248 | 2002-08-12 23:05:00 | :p :p :p :p | Elwin Way (229) | ||
| 70249 | 2002-08-12 23:30:00 | You can laugh . But have you noticed the scary trend on the web? It's no longer a case of "I use 800 x 600 so EVERYONE uses it" (Oh yeah? How many computers are hooked to the Internet? How many of those machines are less than 2 years old? How many of the users have 20/20 vision? How many of the users are under 45 and don't need reading glasses?) But now the "I have the latest toys so everyone does!" brigade are designing websites for 1024 x 768! Try viewing THAT at 640 x 480! (Oh yeah . . . I use a 17" monitor at 800 x 600 but my daughter's monitor is smaller and runs at 640 x 480 . A certain school that I taught web design at had lots and lots of smaller monitors) . |
Heather P (163) | ||
| 70250 | 2002-08-13 00:09:00 | Why do you think I keep my top frame graphics under 640 wide? Like I said, it's all about careful use. And a lot of people do scroll! |
Elwin Way (229) | ||
| 70251 | 2002-08-13 00:45:00 | There aren't many sites which ask "do you want text only?". How many put ALT= inside all their <IMG entries? What about those "developers" who have GB ethernet to their machines, so think that megabyte pages are OK. Keep it simple. Keep it small. Howzat? |
Graham L (2) | ||
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