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Thread ID: 23358	2002-08-14 05:01:00	Off topic and not PC	Terry Porritt (14)	Press F1

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70951	2002-08-14 21:59:00	As usual everyone complains about Polititians but that is all they do. If you really do care then do something about it - change it! To do that you must stand for election yourself, and work for change within the system. All you have to do is convince the majority that you are right, and it is done. What could be easier? As for the quality of politicians, if you think you are better,then prove it by becoming a candidate next time around. If you wish to criticise, make sure you have a viable alternative to offer before opening your mouth.	Tom B. (864)
70952	2002-08-14 22:22:00	Fair enough Terry, I care about the important things in politics . . . . . not some pack of minnows, such as United who romped into parliament solely because of statements Peter Dunn uttered on the Holmes debate . The worm turned in his favour, and the gullible sucked it up, hook line and sinker . You tell me when the Pollies took any notice of what the average NZ thought or even wanted . How many NZers signed a petition for tougher sentencing - and what did the Pollies do . Squaddly Dit . Or what about the uproar over Max's power reforms . . . . . . where was the compassion then? I have given up beating myself up, worrying about what is going on in Wellington . Nothing I say or do will make any difference . As I said, I worry about being able to buy enough food to get me through the week . BALDY	Baldy (26)
70953	2002-08-14 23:32:00	Ok Tom, we are all different and all have different views. A lot of the time we can stand back & not get too worked up about things because we are not directly affected, when we are however, is when one gets a bit hot under the collar. What you suggest is not really practical, god help us if we all became politicians :) I did do my bit once in trying to change the world by being on a local council in Dorset, UK. We levied a 4 pence rate added onto the District and County Council rates, so you can see how much power we wielded :) It is really important that people make their views known (to government or local councils) in a democracy, even if they cant think of a viable alternative. Viable alternatives is what we elect capable politicians to devise for us lesser mortals. However we have to reserve the right to complain or disagree.	Terry Porritt (14)
70954	2002-08-15 00:32:00	Anyone who seeks political power should automatically be barred from doing so , and anyway Robo's right, all the work and most of the decisions are made by career government workers of whom you never see	Ferroshus (842)
70955	2002-08-15 01:22:00	It bugs me me when people slag off democracy and politicians. Demoracy isn't perfect OK but how would like the alternatives? Binning all politicians as the same is foolish, you think voting for one or the other doesn't make any difference, try living under despotism where you don't get any choice. In my view democracy is a very fragile thing, we only have it because thousands of people before us fought (and died) so we ordinary people could have a say and get some rights. Check out Germany in the 30s, where people got fed up with the wavering Weimar, and looked towards strong (less democratic) govt, and see what happened next. If you're critical of the way things are run get off yr butt and put in your contribution while you still enjoy the right to.	mark c (247)
70956	2002-08-15 01:33:00	> As usual everyone complains about Polititians but > that is all they do . SO !!!!!! > If you really do care then do something about it - > change it! To do that you must stand for election > yourself, and work for change within the system . All > you have to do is convince the majority that you are > right, and it is done . What could be easier? As for > the quality of politicians, if you think you are > better,then prove it by becoming a candidate next > time around . > If you wish to criticise, make sure you have a viable > alternative to offer before opening your mouth . Since when has it been a crime in this country to have an opinion . I don't give a rats backside if you agree with me or not Tom B . I am just pleased that I live in a country like NZ where I am able to criticise . Or do you think its preferable that we become like Indonesia/China where they lock you up and throw away the key? If more people in this country spoke up, things might change . Look at the uproar in Australia, when they were going to introduce GST . NZers said squaddly dit ( like the sheep in the paddocks ) and we are lumbered with a shocking tax that we were conned into BALDY p/s: I will say no more on this subject - its supposed to be for computer problems LOL	Baldy (26)
70957	2002-08-15 02:17:00	> If more people in this country spoke up, things might > change. Look at the uproar in Australia, when they > were going to introduce GST. NZers said squaddly dit > ( like the sheep in the paddocks ) and we are > lumbered > with a shocking tax that we were conned into I agree with you Baldy, we must always be free to criticise, thats our right of free speech. Re GST, the outcome was better for us in some ways, as in Australia now if you buy a chicken at the deli, the temperature of the chook determines if it attracts GST or not! Its a nightmare, at least we got it slightly better (apart from the %) So even though they complained they still got it.	godfather (25)
70958	2002-08-15 04:26:00	>Re GST, the outcome was better for us in some ways, as in Australia >now if you buy a chicken at the deli, the temperature of the chook >determines if it attracts GST or not! Its a nightmare, at least we got it >slightly better (apart from the %) >So even though they complained they still got it. I think the important thing to realise is that while the sem-automatic M1 Garand gave the US infantry platoon significantly more fire-power at the individual soldier level than a corresponding Wehrmacht infantry platoon - where the bolt-action Mauser 98 was still the most common weapon -the German's had, in the MG42, by far the best infantry-support machine gun on the field of battle. It was used in such numbers by the Germans that it effectively negated any advantage the US troops gained from carrying the Garand. The MG42 lived on far past the end of World War 2, with it's ancestory being clearly seen in the US Army's own M60 and in the German Bundeswehr's MG3. The US Browning 0.30 light machine gun just could not compete in terms of firepower and flexibility. Damn these mushrooms are tasty.	Biggles (121)
70959	2002-08-15 04:50:00	Ich denke die wichtige Sache verwirkliche bin der, während das sem-automatische M1 Garand den US Infanterie Platoon deutlich mehr Fire-power auf dem einzelnen Soldatniveau gab, als hatte ein entsprechender Wehrmacht Infanterie Platoon - wo die Schraubbolzen-Tätigkeit Mauser 98 noch die allgemeinste Waffe war - des Deutschen, im MG42, das bei weitem bestes Infanterie-stützen Maschine Gewehr auf dem Feld der Schlacht . Es wurde in solchen Zahlen von den Deutschen verwendet, daß es effektiv jeden möglichen Vorteil verneinte, den die US Truppen vom Tragen des Garand gewannen . Das MG42 lebte an weite Vergangenheit das Ende von Weltkrieg 2, mit ihm ist- ancestory offenbar sehend in eigenes M60 der US Armee und in das deutschen MG3 des Bundeswehrs . Die US, die 0,30 leichten Maschineninjektor konnten brünieren nicht in Firepower und Flexibilität ausgedrückt gerade, konkurrieren . mmmmm . . . musshhrroommss	godfather (25)
70960	2002-08-15 04:55:00	Don't you love FreeTranslation . com . This is how it re-translates your translation: I think would realize am the important matter that while the sem gave-automatic M1 Garand infantry Platoon clearly more Fire-power on the single soldier level to the US, than had an infantry Platoon corresponding armed forces - where the screw bolt-activity of mice 98 yet the most general weapon was - the German, in the MG42, the by far best infantry-support machine weapon on the field of the battle . It was used in such numbers by the German that it denied effectively each possible advantage, that the US troops of the carrying of the Garand won . The MG42 lived at far past the end of world wars 2, with it ist- ancestory obviously seeing into characteristic M60 of the US army and into the German MG3 of the Federal Armed Forces . The US, the 0,30 easy Maschineninjektor could not expressed brünieren in Firepower and flexibility just, compete . It would be fun to start with some Shakespeare, run itnthrough Freetranslation multiple times back and forth between English and other languages, and see what you ended up with . . . . .	Biggles (121)
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