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Thread ID: 125540	2012-07-04 23:32:00	Pre School eduacation.	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1286033	2012-07-07 01:25:00	My only memories of Kindy were of finger painting, a visit from Santa, who gave me a tiny matchbox truck which I loved, and banging nails through bottle tops into a piece of wood. I still find that last bit hard to fathom. Getting a minor to 'decorate' a scrap of wood by getting tiny, delicate, uncoordinated fingers to try to bang a nail through a rough edged scrap of metal with a big brutal hammer. It's bad enough as an adult at times trying to belt a nail through a bit of metal flashing... but why get an infant to do that? One of lifes greatest pleasures can be DIY work. I recall a toy that resembled a small bed with holes in the base so that dowels could be hammered through with a small wooden hammer. To repeat your performance you simply turned it over and continued to hammer the dowels back into the holes. Could keep a small kid amused for hours and was much safer than giving a kid real hammer and nails.	Bobh (5192)
1286034	2012-07-07 02:22:00	I don't remember learning anything of any use at Kindy. Also was bored with most of my schooling in the years that followed. I still consider 90% of my classwork to have been based on complete garbage, and that teachers spend much of their time just fluffing things up to waste even more time. I still see that today. Former teachers, when up on their feet talking to a group are still in the habit of stretching out a simple short message into a long, boring lesson. They love to ramble on... Apart from the basics of reading, writing, spelling and maths, the only other subjects of any value to me were the science / biology based stuff. But when were you at kindy?, My experience in 1978 was quite a bit different from my sons 2012...hell, The entire schooling system has be rebuilt more then once in that time. I go to help my older son with his math homework and hes been taught to do it arse about face.And for all I know the new way is the better way. he seems to have a grasp on it. Though I do believe the Te Kohanga Reo failures is something that needs to be addressed. Anyhow, Your other reference to school, I have to agree. In the 5th form I had a strong interest in History, well, Ive had it all my life, So I took History, In 6 weeks of lessons we had learned nothing apart from being expected to memorise the ever changing boundaries of European boarders from a 20 year period in the 1300's. When I lost interest in this lazy crap I was pulled aside, When I told them there were events, people,wars, social events ,stories behind these border changes that we should be learning about rather then just drawing lines all over a map and that I considered it a poor effort and a waste of my time I was told not to come back. Fine said I, You're not teaching me anything, I could cover everything we have done so far in 20 minutes with a single text book. So, They rang home and told me ma I had no interest in History and had been removed due to my attitude. Lmfao. Chumps, I had an interest in learning not being fobbed off with endless fluff to make it look like we were doing something.	Metla (12)
1286035	2012-07-07 03:09:00	But when were you at kindy?, My experience in 1978 was quite a bit different from my sons 2012...hell, The entire schooling system has be rebuilt more then once in that time. I go to help my older son with his math homework and hes been taught to do it arse about face.And for all I know the new way is the better way. he seems to have a grasp on it. I was in the forth form when we switched to so called new maths and to me it was a load of useless crap and it used to be one of my favourite subjects. I felt I wasn't getting any where with it but everyone else was in much the same position, as I remained in the same position in class. I remember trying to teach my nephew some simple ways of doing maths but basically gave up because he couldn't get his head around the logic because of the way they had been taught.	mikebartnz (21)
1286036	2012-07-07 06:19:00	One of the girls on my school run was telling me her 3 . 5 yr old brother was kicked out of early childcare for continuous use of foul language . This confirms my thoughts that it all starts in the home environment . . . . . good and bad . Ken The home environment is important for sure, but it is not necessarily the sole or primary factor . It sounds like the Childcare Centre failed to manage the child from the start, parental issues or not . Mrs T works in a Pre-School (ages 2-6 but very few stay beyond 5) that sends all their 'graduates' off to school with adequate literacy and numeracy, good social skills and hygiene practices, plus exposure to healthy food and table manners . They frequently receive children withdrawn by dissatisfied parents from 'Kindergartens' or 'Playcentres' especially the really big Corporate franchises (or moved on advice when parents are ignorant of the problems their child has) and the language some of these children use would shock a wharfie . Their utter disrespect to their teachers, zero self-control, and their violence toward other children are real eye openers . They come in with anything from 6 to 18 months to go before they are due to start school, unable to count, not knowing shapes, colours, the alphabet, various common animals other than cat and dog, unable to write their own name, and lacking many of the other basics needed to integrate with their peers . Apart from religious constraints or vegetarian parenting, they all eat the same healthy 'home cooked' meals, nothing 'instant' or precooked and deep frozen, just food prepared from fresh ingredients hand-selected by Mrs T every week . All within a standard and very economic budget available to any Centre . Fortunately most of their behavioural issues can be corrected, they simply don't understand limits because they have never been imposed on them, but the lack of individual attention in their early years means that many may fall behind at school . Class sizes limit the amount of individual attention teachers can give (wake up Nat Gov . ) and some may never catch up completely . This Centre is very good at spotting undiagnosed autism or other disorders and getting the experts in to confirm their impressions, but heaven knows why these kids were not diagnosed earlier . A young boy who started at age 2 when virtually mute was diagnosed promptly is now almost ready for school, and although he still has some problems, he is well equipped to take his place in mainstream education and is far less likely to end up as a lost soul . Billy	Billy T (70)
1286037	2012-07-08 01:32:00	In my day we went to Primary school aged about eight. We had pre-primary schools from about 5 to 8. These were private and there was no compulsion to attend. They went over the top! Besides reading and writing, we were doing maths, geometry, and algebra at the age of seven!! At primary school we wasted hours on learning Latin and French, and how Henry 8th beheaded his many wives. At the same time we were were not allowed to speak or learn the native language, Swahili. Much like the attitude they had in New Zealand regarding Maori. Not learning Swahili doesn't make sense as it is actually used as a everyday language (for some) over where you came from, and it would come in handy. Maori is different as it is basically dead and hardly any one speaks it, only at ceremonies and such, but they usually translate anyway. There in hardly any point at all in learning the Maori language.	ChazTheGeek (16619)
1286038	2012-07-08 02:23:00	When I was a kid we did up to two years in the Primmers (new entrant classes could be the new term). A kid usually was sent to school on their 5th birthday which meant that there would be new kids starting school throughout the year. Some kids would therefore do two years in the primmers while others did a year and a bit. At seven years of age we went to standard one in Primary School.	Bobh (5192)
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