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| Thread ID: 23617 | 2002-08-20 08:59:00 | Attention: Systems and Network Administrators/Engineers | Sam H (525) | Press F1 |
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| 72733 | 2002-08-20 08:59:00 | I'm looking for a bit of advise for my future education, at the moment I was thinking about leaving college at the end of this year coming out with 6th form cert and going on to do a National Diploma in Computing Level 5 and also doing A+ and Network+ and at least getting the core MCSE exams done and finishing MCSE part time. However I am slowly being convinced to stay another year and do Busary, also realizing myself that this may be Valuable as I have my whole life ahead of me to do tertiary courses and/or degrees. I am looking for some advise on my future education from those in the IT industry already. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Sam |
Sam H (525) | ||
| 72734 | 2002-08-20 09:07:00 | > form cert and going on to do a National Diploma in > Computing Level 5 and also doing A+ and Network+ and > at least getting the core MCSE exams done and > finishing MCSE part time. > However I am slowly being convinced to stay another > year and do Busary, also realizing myself that this Stay on and do bursary and go for a degree in something - I'm not speaking from experience, as I don't have MCSE or A+ or anything, but I do know of a few people (especially in the Tauranga area) who are sitting on their bums with their A+ and Network+ and nothing to do, because companies are hiring people with the degrees, not just the different certifications. Mike. |
Mike (15) | ||
| 72735 | 2002-08-20 09:18:00 | Dont get A+ it is not worth it. I got my A+ two years ago and have had a few crap jobs that i could have got without it. many people who do the interviews dont know what A+ is and those who do know about it know any fool can get it with reading the right book for a weekend :-) get a degree in comp sci or such like. |
robsonde (120) | ||
| 72736 | 2002-08-20 11:09:00 | To make it the best of three, stay on and do your bursary. I have CBC, DCO, CCMLIV, and still it don't mean jack. I honestly wish I'd taken life more seriously 15 years ago and stayed on at skool and then uni. Besides, the standard of tertiary (eg technical institutes or polytechs) has dropped majorly compared to the demands of the job industry particularly in the IT industry. |
SoniKalien (792) | ||
| 72737 | 2002-08-20 11:37:00 | Hi Sam, Definitely work towards a degree of some kind . There are several reasons for this: 1 . If you end up wanting to move to another area of IT outside sysadmin, nearly all employers look for a degree (this is especially true overseas) . 2 . Although experience counts for a lot, when applying for a job that has numerous applications they look for those with a degree first (unfair I know but thats life) . Having said this, I find that New Zealand is one of the few places that will give you a chance without a degree . Ideally you would want to get a degree, but work part time in IT somewhere to get the hands on experience . The Technical Quals MSCE etc . are nice to haves! I have met several people who had the bits of paper but were absolutely useless when drop into a real situation . In short a degree will get you a foot in the door, the experience and practical knowledge should do the rest . |
BarryMcQ (1578) | ||
| 72738 | 2002-08-20 12:02:00 | If you were wanting to get away from the area you are in at the moment. I would highly recommend that you go to the Christchurch College of Education (http://www.ict.school.nz) it's very cheap and the qualifications are good. | -=JM=- (16) | ||
| 72739 | 2002-08-20 12:19:00 | Thanks Barry, you've just confirmed that I'm washed up.. :D > I have met several people who had the bits of paper but were absolutely useless when drop into a real situation. I'm the opposite - I don't have the paper but judging from comments from others (and not just from PressF1) I'm apparently pretty capable. How do you prove that in an interview that doesn't even have pooter in the room...?? |
SoniKalien (792) | ||
| 72740 | 2002-08-20 12:19:00 | Degrees give you a really good knowledge base and are to be thoroughly recommended. BUT... What is your money situation like? I know that these days you roll into Uni, Tech or the local accredited course and are instantly given a Student Loan form. Great, fine, excellent - course costs are covered. What they don't impress on you is the catch - you have to pay it back! This sounds fine when you are 18 and starting the course. Not so good when you've 21, leaving the course and realise you're off into the world owing $30,000 (or considerably more) without a job. Think about the money side as well as the course. Starting a year late or studying part time whilst working are also options. A big advantage being you've had some work experience and can apply the study to real life situations. |
Heather P (163) | ||
| 72741 | 2002-08-20 12:34:00 | I have a $12,000 student loan, and have had it for 4 years, and it doesn't really worry me cos I only have to pay it back when I earn over a threshold (ie a job) so I accrue interest, but that gets written off if I'm not working. Don't underestimate the power of the Loan. And don't be put off by scare mongering. Use the force wisely. Get a degree... swings watch slowly in front of your eyes... |
SoniKalien (792) | ||
| 72742 | 2002-08-20 12:40:00 | >How do you prove that in an interview that doesn't even have pooter in the room...?? Hopefully you'll get a technical dude doing your interview (not always the case). As soon as you say I'm a visual person (ie. I need to look at what I'm doing) they 'll understand completely ;-) |
BarryMcQ (1578) | ||
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