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| Thread ID: 23617 | 2002-08-20 08:59:00 | Attention: Systems and Network Administrators/Engineers | Sam H (525) | Press F1 |
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| 72743 | 2002-08-20 21:50:00 | > >How do you prove that in an interview that doesn't > even have pooter in the room...?? > > Hopefully you'll get a technical dude doing your > interview (not always the case). As soon as you say > I'm a visual person (ie. I need to look at what I'm > doing) they 'll understand completely ;-) The problem isn't with the interview, it's with getting the interview to start with. I can't get the interviews - I get letters back saying "a requirement of this position was a tertiary IT degree". How I'd just love to shove it in the faces of their "qualified" technicians who probably know less than I do. <a real pissed off> Mike. |
Mike (15) | ||
| 72744 | 2002-08-20 21:52:00 | > job) so I accrue interest, but that gets written off > if I'm not working. no it doesn't... or does it? I was told that when you finish studying the interest accrues whether you're working or not... was I lead astray here? Mike. |
Mike (15) | ||
| 72745 | 2002-08-20 23:51:00 | Do Bursary, then do a degree and work in the industry at the same time. Take longer, pay some of your way at the same time, get heaps of experience, and come out with a good degree. Cost you, but it's an investment for life. I got a degree when I left school and have always found once you say you have people think " Oh right, well can do that can do anything." Not always true of course but it's a valuable ticket. Guy I know left school maybe five years ago, started IT Degree at Auck. and worked part time in the industry and then gave up his degree and went full time and now doing v. well. He isn't going to bother, he says, with the study anymore and feels assured of employment, and I feel he's right. Another option, if the opportunity is there and you're confident you can hang in. But having a degree does make life easier. Best of luck whichever you choose. Your posts are great. You've got an IT future if you want it. |
mark c (247) | ||
| 72746 | 2002-08-21 02:20:00 | I'm not knocking a computer degree. In fact I'm doing one. Slowly. One or two papers a semester. (The lady in the cafeteria at Tech last night made a comment about me still being around. I replied that I'm a permanent student). I also have one daughter at Uni (history - wants to be a teacher) and another who did a photography course this year (came top of class) in order to get into Tech next year. But I am of the generation who look at student loans and worry about the future of the country. Hairdressers with loans of $28,000? Kids doing private courses costing thousands (make-up, photography) that have no chance on their own of leading directly to a job? Computer students with debts of what, $50,000? By all means do a degree but consider the money side as well. As far as the training institutes go there will be plenty of advice on how to obtain loans but no advice on the implications of having one. |
Heather P (163) | ||
| 72747 | 2002-08-21 02:56:00 | Take a degree or diploma or even a cert if you want to but I wouldn't waste my money on MSCE or any MS based qualifications. I've gone for their courses but never taken any of their exams. In order to keep the qualitifications you need to keep up to date with their technologies eg if your MSCE was based on Win98/NT4 several years ago, you'll need to resit for W2K etc. You could end up with a qualification that is valid for maybe 5 years. When I'm hiring staff I look at their experience. MSCE is nice but in the end my questions are still, "Show me what you can do without supervision. Do you have initiative? Can't you solve problems from many angles? Do you look confident? Are you a team player?" Seldom do I exclaim, "Oh look you got a MSCE!!!" |
nzStan (440) | ||
| 72748 | 2002-08-21 02:57:00 | Go for getting a degree if you want, but I would really recommend doing it part-time, along with an entry-level IT position (the likes of ISP call-centre work). Sure it'll take longer, but IMO there's nothing like experience - when I was in a position to employ ppl (a year or so ago now) I ended up employing someone with 2 yrs experience over those with degrees. Reason? he was the only person who "tinkered" and could tell me "how and why". Those with degrees invariably shrugged their shoulders when asked why they would do something a particular way!!! My daughter is kinda the same. She's studying p/t for CBC, considers herself as reasonably techy, but would be hard pushed to explain simple things such as a PC start-up process, what a defrag does (or why everything else should be closed while it's operating), etc. So ... I'll say it again ... IMO nothing counts like experience. |
antmannz (28) | ||
| 72749 | 2002-08-21 03:04:00 | Unfortunately the reality of how capable someone is versus what pieces of paper they have is always out of sync and is likely to only get worse. Employers and their hiring practices vary widely, but as a rule the Degree will give you a better chance of getting noticed than the short course qualifications. With a candidate sight unseen but a pile of CVs to work through, there is a natural tendency for employers to regard those with degrees as having demonstrated a willingness to knuckle down and be in for the long haul. And many employers are frequently not as technically knowledgeable as the people they are hiring (heck, that's what they are hiring you for, after all), so multiple short course qualifications which they may not be familiar with might leave little impact while a BSc is something they can relate too. Degrees have always had an element of marketing value about them - it is just a sad fact of life. And there are many many people willing to fork over the money to go and get degrees. It is a competitive market and you'll sell yourself short if you believe you can go and compete in job interviews with half a dozen BSc, some of whom will also have additional qualifications. So go get the degree. (advice from a university drop-out). |
Biggles (121) | ||
| 72750 | 2002-08-21 03:05:00 | Brilliant. When can I come for an interview with you! | tech (456) | ||
| 72751 | 2002-08-21 03:16:00 | Take a number. To get into IDG you need someone to die or retire... :P (hehehe joking I have an office at Orewa with that saying). |
nzStan (440) | ||
| 72752 | 2002-08-21 05:11:00 | Thanks a lot for all the posts guys, I guess I will be returning to do 7th Form and then go on to do a degree. I have been thinking about the part time and working bit and started thinking I may do the 1st year of the chosen degree full time to get used to uni life then doing the remaining part of the degree part time while working in the industry part time. Thanks a lot for helping me out on this matter, I'm looking forward already, uni is supposed to be the most exciting time of your life I hear. Cheers Sam |
Sam H (525) | ||
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