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Thread ID: 23930	2002-08-29 10:56:00	Pop Up Ads -Whats the best program to get rid of them?	mejobloggs (264)	Press F1

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74887	2002-09-01 03:22:00	Hmmmmmm this is actually a very interesting post, I am currently looking at putting some advertising on my site to help pay for a greater web presence i.e. domain name and paid server space to host the site and also be able to offer some other services including a stream or online radio. I can not afford to pay for this out of my own pocket so advertising is the only way possible for me. The problem I am having is finding advertising that is ethical and does NOT include pop ups or any other form of annoyance. I just want something simple like a small to medium sized banner at the top of the page with some advertising that is relevant to the site and the visitors. I think PressF1 does a good job on this and have actually looked at their ads and followed the links several times but I also understand where the frustration comes into it, having advertising hounding you at every turn while surfing the net is not an enjoyable experience to the point where I have closed windows and not returned to sites that have been excessive in their attempts at revenue earning. Kerry, perhaps this could be an opportunity for you and PressF1 but how about offering site owners the ability to join in your advertising campaign and include the ads that you currently run here on their sites? This would please your advertisers I am sure and also offer site owners a way of earning revenue while staying within the boundaries of taste etc in regards to ads. And to all you who don't like ads, tough, without ads the internet will end up becoming the domain of the few who can afford to pay for a site out of their own pocket. I for one cannot and I also suggest having a good look at all the sites you have plastered in your favourites folder and show me the ones without any form of advertising........and then show me those sites again in 3 months. Majorgeeks, Pacs_Portal, even tweak'e and his god monty from who he gets all his news and PressF1. There is no way they would even be able to offer a quarter of what they do now without advertising if they would still even exist. In an ideal world we wouldn't need advertising on the internet, but then again in a ideal world Elvis would still be alive and politicians would tell the truth. Get real people and stop whinging about ads, whinge and kill all the pop ups and spyware you can but when it comes to real advertising give the sites and the ethical advertisers a fair shot. Before they invented Drawing Boards what did they go back to?? :)	dipstick01 (445)
74888	2002-09-01 03:59:00	In this debate, there are a number of points being overlooked. No one is being forced to set up a web site, and with all due respect to all Press F1 users, many personal sites are just ego trips, and never really get seen by many people anyway. (Im sure this doesnt apply to F1 users :) ). Other reasons include just the technical interest of doing it, but then, like most inventors, the authors sometimes get carried away with their own creation regardless of whether the product is 'saleable'. Others will have something really useful to offer by way of specialist information, or specific topics of interest, but the choice is still theirs. As for commercial sites, well they have their own reasons for setting up web sites, and it sure aint just philanthropy. If anyone wants to see just how a specialised topic web site can look, visit Albert Haims site at http://www.bixbeiderbecke.com It is huge, and maintained by just one person. I still get back to the premise that sites could have ads only pages, with the visitor to the site going there if they wish, just as one gets invited to click on a link to a sponsor, which, by the way, I usually do if the site has been WORTH visiting.	Terry Porritt (14)
74889	2002-09-01 04:34:00	Those are some good points Terry but I still have one main point, the internet is a collection of information provided by individuals for the benefit of others, that is its sole purpose, to inform and educate and as a medium for others to get their own opinions and views into an international community . The internet is unique and will always be different to any other form of media . Yes the advertisers page is a brilliant concept and if I could I would already have that on my site and earning $$ but sadly most users have been hounded by advertising to a degree that a page like that will be ignored and bypassed by the vast majority . try and sell that concept to advertisers and all you will end up with is a lot of refusal . Ask Kerry, she is a professional in this matter and has dealt with advertising in all manner of formats and ideas . All advertisers want is to get their name flashing/pushed in front of the publics face to get name brand recognition . What we need to do is support the ones that will do this in a manner that is ethical and unobtrusive, in other words a company that is willing to advertise and support the web site without being detrimental . And no I didn't need to create my web site, I didn't even have to tell anyone about it, but I have and with the 2000 visitor mark approaching and the only advertising done is through here and a chat site I visit I feel that perhaps there was a need for it . I was helping a least one person anight with various simple problems till I posted my site, that has dropped to one a month and usually it involves virus or trojan problems instead of the more simple things I used to repeat daily . If you take the sites off the internet that people didn't need or have to post then the internet would be a very sad place indeed . Terry you are one of the few people that site makers and advertisers dream of, you support a site because you beleive its worthwhile and this is good thing . Sadly most visitors will use a site for the information they can glean and then go on to the next while it still exists My site is not an ego trip it was an attempt to teach people the things I learnt the hard way, yes the posative comments I have received about it have been great and yes my ego has been boosted immensly by them, but I felt there was a need for the information and so I did it . No one asked me too and it was not an technical exercise to see if I could do it, I have learnt a lot from doing the site and I am planning on several more too, some will be ad free and others will have advertising to help cover the costs . And no Terry I am not attempting flame or put you or your views down in any way so please do not take my comments other than in the way I have meant them . All I am asking is that you look at both sides of the topic and try to understand everyone's point of view . :) It is not a beer gut it is a liquid grain storage facility	dipstick01 (445)
74890	2002-09-01 04:58:00	Terry, you're right . . . in a perfect world we would have 'advertising only' pages . . . like online classifieds . It's something we've considered, and will continue to do so, but most advertisers buy inventory and inventory is made up of site visitors and the number of ad impressions a site delivers . They're also interested in being associated with relevant content on the site (although we have strict policies on this as editorial needs to remain objective and we try to ensure it does not impinge on the editorial integrity) . So by putting all the advertising in one area, there's no way to make it relevant to the site visitor, and I'd dare say that the actual 'inventory' available to buy, would be a LOT smaller, which potentially could limit revenue . And yes, we are in this to make money, that has never been denied, but we're hopefully doing it while providing good services and info for our site visitors and good response and sales for our advertisers . What's wrong with that? ;-) There's also the point that most advertisers would choose NOT to be advertising alongside competing advertisers . They want something exclusively theirs, especially if they're paying more for it . At the end of the day, this is a very 50/50 topic . Advertising can be an annoying waste of time, and it can also be a very useful service if done correctly . If you don't like advertising, then nothing I or anyone else says will change your mind . If you understand the reason it's there, even if you don't like it, then at least you're open to the possibility that it can be useful . The visitors that come to PressF1, PC World and all our other sites are in the majority, a different audience than those that buy or read the magazines . So we are actually providing a service for an entirely different audience - if the sites were to go offline, would those same visitors then start buying the magazines? Who knows . . but I'd think that in the majority they probably wouldn't, and a useful service that was used by a whole bunch of people who don't read the title, is gone for good . Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying 'stop using ad-blocking software or browsers' . It would be a very boring world if everyone did the same thing . Pop-up ads and other 'invasive' advertising should be dealt with if they become a problem . I'm personally just very hesitant to go so far as to blocking legitimate, responsible advertising on sites I regularly visit . But that's my choice . I personally don't see the difference between a banner ad downloading on a site, and a graphic downloading from the main content of the site . And if I was ticked about the advertising on my favourite site, I'd certainly tell them . . . just like you guys tell us!! :-) I think you'll find that in future there will be a trend towards advertising being part and parcel of site content, rather than as banners or skyscrapers . This has the potential to mislead site visitors as well, if the sites concerned don't ensure that the advertising is obviously advertising, but it will all be part of the approach of ensuring that site visitors get useful and relevant information (be that advertising or content) . And I promise I won't bleat on about this anymore . . . I'll just refer people back to this thread! :-) As I said before, the main reason I speak up is to ensure that the people asking questions about this have ALL the facts . And going on some posts in the recent past, some of these apps, etc, can have a detrimental effect on systems . So now the 'other side of the story' is out there, I'll go back to my movie! Hope y'all have a good weekend - what's left of it! Cheers Kerry	Kerry Dodds (1477)
74891	2002-09-01 05:28:00	In magazines there always seems to be some ads which are relevant to the article that you are reading at the time. Then just a whole heap of ads in the back.	-=JM=- (16)
74892	2002-09-23 22:06:00	free surfer Guard IE , webwasher and popupkiller are all good as is active privacy and ad-aware and Opera	kiwibeat (304)
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